So the only just war is one fought in self-defense.

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So the only just war is one fought in self-defense.

Mary Anne — 8/22/2003 6:29:00 PM (archived)

Where does that put us at this time?

Still waiting for the imminent threat to materialize...

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Immoral - Raoul - 8/14/2003 5:45:00 AM
- re: The immorality of napalm usage depends upon what you would consider a moral war . . . - D. Spires - 11/6/2003 1:04:29 AM
- Nope. You just find excuses - ebnelson - 8/31/2003 6:01:55 AM
  - re: I missed that, Ed -- thanx . . . - D. Spires - 11/6/2003 3:53:30 AM
  - re: You can only claim to have won the war if you won the peace, but that's not the case, yet - Raoul - 8/31/2003 12:43:44 PM
    - My claim of military victory - ebnelson - 8/31/2003 1:28:13 PM
- This thread is certainly easier to follow in 1024 x 768 display mode (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/30/2003 10:32:28 AM
- The epitome of flame wars! Robert please add this to the hall o' flame!(nt) (n/t) - R.L. - 8/24/2003 3:25:42 AM
  - Hmmm! Begun, this flame war has! (n/t) - Yoda the Yeti Master..... - 8/24/2003 6:32:28 AM
    - re: and end, will it ever? (n/t) - Roulke Boulreke - 8/31/2003 9:07:35 PM
- You've only scratched the surface, bud - Zhavric - 8/20/2003 7:06:07 PM
  - fwiw, welcome Zhavric...and to Raoul... - McFly - 8/21/2003 11:10:34 PM
    - re: fwiw, welcome Zhavric...and to Raoul... - Zhavric - 8/22/2003 12:22:44 PM
    - re: fwiw, welcome Zhavric...and to Raoul... - gbaikie - 8/22/2003 3:09:23 AM
      - LOL!!!! - Davin L. - 8/22/2003 3:30:49 AM
        
        Not that funny. - Tom Brosz - 8/23/2003 11:19:26 PM
        
        Okay, deep breath Tom. - Davin L. - 8/30/2003 2:42:51 AM
    - Yes, welcome Zhavric! ...and to McFly... - Fox - 8/22/2003 2:54:55 AM
      - Thanks, Fox...better late than never, huh? :-) (n/t) - McFly - 8/22/2003 2:58:42 PM
  - re: You've only scratched the surface, bud - gbaikie - 8/20/2003 7:51:33 PM
    - Actually... - Zhavric - 8/20/2003 8:05:48 PM
      - re: Actually... - gbaikie - 8/21/2003 12:40:33 AM
        
        Since its flame, and you are acting - Davin L - 8/21/2003 4:21:30 PM
        
        Wow... - Zhavric - 8/21/2003 12:00:57 PM
        
        re: Wow... - gbaikie - 8/21/2003 7:41:02 PM
        
        Listen - Zhavric - 8/21/2003 7:57:05 PM
        
        Dear Stupid - Justin Kelly - 8/22/2003 6:14:04 AM
        
        re: Dear Stupid - Davin L - 8/22/2003 2:57:34 PM
        
        BOB!!! Hey man - Zhavric - 8/22/2003 12:57:58 PM
        
        re: What . . . ? - D. Spires - 8/22/2003 1:53:57 AM
        
        Abandon all integrity oh ye who enter the hollow passage of the Right Wing Mind - Davin L. - 8/22/2003 3:14:39 PM
        
        re: Still pretending, I see . . . - D. Spires - 8/22/2003 8:46:06 PM
        
        Argumentation Ala Dan 101: I'm Right Your Wrong I Don't Have To Prove Anything Deal With It NyeahNyeah!!! - Davin L. - 8/22/2003 10:35:42 PM
        
        re: Keeping track . . . - D. Spires - 8/22/2003 11:21:50 PM
        
        A non Kzinti-mode reply - Davin L. - 8/23/2003 5:55:00 PM
        
        re: So . . . - D. spires - 8/24/2003 3:31:59 AM
        
        re: So . . . - Davin L. - 8/24/2003 7:04:19 AM
        
        re: As stated . . . - D. Spires - 8/24/2003 6:02:11 PM
        
        Nyeh Nyeah again Dan? You'll have to do better grasshopper. - Davin L. - 8/24/2003 7:07:31 PM
        
        re: Davin, you have not shown where you deserve my best . . . - D. Spires - 8/26/2003 7:40:11 PM
        
        The point of this conflict is, Dan: - Davin L. - 8/27/2003 4:19:37 PM
        
        C'mon Davin...don't tell us you missed all the news... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/24/2003 7:32:59 AM
        
        hummmm - Davin L. - 8/24/2003 5:29:55 PM
        
        re: A non Kzinti-mode reply - Tom Brosz - 8/23/2003 11:51:33 PM
        
        Tom, thats total bullshit... Par for course. - Davin L. - 8/24/2003 12:12:28 AM
        
        An additional article on this subject - Tom Brosz - 8/24/2003 7:03:09 AM
        
        Let me clear it up for you... - Zhavric - 8/22/2003 12:53:28 PM
        
        re: You have yourselfd a real nice life, now . . . - D. Spires - 8/22/2003 7:51:40 PM
        
        Actually, it sucks - Zhavric - 8/22/2003 8:18:05 PM
        
        re: Nice rebut . . . - D. spires - 8/22/2003 8:48:37 PM
        
        "America, love it or leave it" - Robert - 8/22/2003 10:29:53 PM
        
        re: "America, love it or leave it" - ==== - 12/2/2003 12:28:44 AM
        
        welcome- - R.L. - 12/2/2003 7:19:38 AM
        
        Be sure to check out the rest of the site! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2003 1:19:35 AM
        
        re: Zhavric's an Ohioan . . . - D. Spires - 8/22/2003 11:09:39 PM
        
        re: Listen - gbaikie - 8/21/2003 9:19:25 PM
        
        Buh-by - Zhavric - 8/22/2003 12:17:48 PM
        
        re: Buh-by - gbaikie - 8/22/2003 8:28:34 PM
        
        Chamberlain and Hitler were also chummy... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/21/2003 1:33:48 PM
        
        It's a lot worse than Medieval Europe - Lee - 8/22/2003 1:52:20 AM
        
        re: It's a lot worse than Medieval Europe - penis - 11/23/2003 11:19:16 PM
        
        Chaotic yes...but also inefficient. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/22/2003 8:17:19 AM
        
        Chamberlain did not firebomb Dresden - alcaray - 8/21/2003 4:18:35 PM
        
        You've made the mistake Bush wants you to make - Zhavric - 8/21/2003 1:59:10 PM
- My two cents worth on this - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2003 6:20:26 PM
  - Hey, one of those pennies is mine. - RobVG - 8/21/2003 7:44:51 AM
    - Killing is killing: method irrelevant. - Mary Anne - 8/21/2003 12:55:43 PM
      - re: Killing is killing: method irrelevant. - RobVG - 8/21/2003 6:10:44 PM
        
        I take it you also don't care much about methods of capital punishment. - Mary Anne - 8/22/2003 4:07:23 AM
        
        Well... - RobVG - 8/22/2003 5:04:32 PM
        
        So the only just war is one fought in self-defense. - Mary Anne - 8/22/2003 6:29:00 PM
        
        A nagging question. (n/t) - RobVG - 8/22/2003 6:38:27 PM
        
        re: I take it you also don't care much about methods of capital punishment. - gbaikie - 8/22/2003 11:11:38 AM
        
        People who use weapons recognized by international conventions as heinous need to be treated as war criminals, and tried as such, yes. - Mary Anne - 8/22/2003 4:00:15 PM
      - re: Killing is killing - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2003 5:28:45 PM
        
        A little bit pregnant - Mary Anne - 8/22/2003 4:38:09 AM
        
        There is no international agreement against using incendiaries on military forces. - Tom Brosz - 8/23/2003 11:28:42 PM
- re: Stupid - Justin Kelly - 8/18/2003 7:58:35 AM
  - re: re:Interpretations - Raoul - 8/18/2003 5:33:59 PM
    - re: re:Interpretations - gbaikie - 8/18/2003 8:01:52 PM
- re: Immoral - gbaikie - 8/15/2003 10:01:49 AM
  - re: re:Imprecisions and trust - Raoul - 8/16/2003 10:41:14 PM
  - re: re:Imprecisions and trust - Raoul - 8/16/2003 10:41:04 PM
    - re:Imprecisions and trust - gbaikie - 8/17/2003 12:46:27 AM
      - re: re:Imprecisions and trust - RobVG - 8/17/2003 5:44:34 AM
        
        re: re:Imprecisions and trust - gbaikie - 8/17/2003 8:24:41 AM
        
        re: re:Imprecisions and trust - SDG - 8/18/2003 10:32:13 PM
        
        You shouldn't be bothered then. - Lee - 8/17/2003 7:31:43 AM
- Immoral - RobVG - 8/14/2003 9:03:51 PM
  - Shoot. I was hoping 'Kazoo' would stick like...Incinagel - RobVG - 8/15/2003 9:49:36 PM
- Napalm is nasty stuff.. - Larry J - 8/14/2003 4:32:09 PM
  - As long as hairs are being split - Fox - 8/14/2003 10:12:23 PM
    - re: As long as hairs are being split - Justin Kelly - 8/18/2003 8:18:41 AM
      - Hi, Justin - Fox - 8/21/2003 5:11:00 PM
        
        re: Hi, Justin - gbaikie - 8/22/2003 3:24:35 AM
    - re: As long as hairs are being split - gbaikie - 8/15/2003 1:04:18 PM
  - Splitting hairs way too finely - Robert - 8/14/2003 9:34:23 PM
    - OK, name a great way to die, and one that doesn't take up medical resources (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 8/18/2003 8:31:26 AM
      - Surely you jest - Robert - 8/19/2003 2:36:36 AM
        
        yeagh, napalm is bad, but wait till you see what a chemical weapon can do!! - Justin - 8/19/2003 7:32:40 AM
        
        re: the Burn Unit - Mary Anne - 8/20/2003 2:02:36 AM
        
        Ok then, name an explosive that won't burn anyone (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 8/20/2003 4:23:42 AM
        
        re: No. YOU tell me what justifies the use of a weapon whose specific intent is to burn people. - Mary Anne - 8/20/2003 12:56:55 PM
        
        Okay, I'll give in, no more burning people. . . from now lets make sure we kill everyone good and dead! - Justin Kelly - 8/21/2003 1:43:50 AM
        
        So the military has become a group of murdering thugs. Goodie. - Mary Anne - 8/21/2003 2:16:05 AM
        
        Last I heard, if I remember right... - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2003 6:21:18 AM
        
        Last I read, he was also saying that it doesn't much matter what we do to other people as long as we win. - Mary Anne - 8/21/2003 11:39:21 AM
        
        no, I'm fair game. . . - Justin Kelly - 8/21/2003 6:55:55 AM
        
        Sure Marry Anne, we're just like villans in those children stories - Justin Kelly - 8/21/2003 5:16:48 AM
        
        OK, fine. You win. It's not important for Americans, either at home or abroad, either civilian or military, to behave like the people we expect the world to be. - Mary Anne - 8/21/2003 11:37:03 AM
        
        What was his prize? - gbaikie - 8/22/2003 3:19:26 AM
        
        When you have something intelligent to say about children's literature, or anything else, do let us know. - Mary Anne - 8/22/2003 3:27:55 AM
        
        re: the Burn Unit - gbaikie - 8/20/2003 2:38:47 AM
        
        Let's review the situation - Robert - 8/19/2003 6:13:19 PM
        
        re: Let's review the situation - Justin Kelly - 8/20/2003 1:32:12 AM
        
        tunnel vision - Robert - 8/20/2003 4:33:57 PM
        
        Throwing out the rules of warfare - Mary Anne - 8/20/2003 2:34:51 AM
        
        Wrong or Stupid, take your pick - Justin Kelly - 8/20/2003 4:16:13 AM
        
        Wrong and stupid: no contest - Mary Anne - 8/20/2003 1:14:01 PM
        
        If we offerend them no mercy, how is it so many surendered/melded away? - Justin Kelly - 8/21/2003 1:27:40 AM
        
        The "melted away" are your guerillas. - Mary Anne - 8/21/2003 2:21:51 AM
        
        Nice to see you coming around to my way of thinking. - Lee - 8/22/2003 5:28:25 AM
        
        It's called sarcasm, blockhead. - Mary Anne - 8/22/2003 10:43:37 AM
        
        Yes it is, I'm surprised you didn't recognize it. (n/t) - Lee - 8/23/2003 6:38:58 AM
        
        WOW! Really?? - Mary Anne - 8/24/2003 10:49:02 PM
        
        The Guerillas are Fedayeen and foreign mercs - Justin Kelly - 8/21/2003 3:59:24 AM
        
        re: Throwing out the rules of warfare - gbaikie - 8/20/2003 3:52:00 AM
        
        re: Surely you jest - gbaikie - 8/19/2003 5:51:43 AM
        
        Phycological effects - Justin Kelly - 8/19/2003 4:27:27 AM
      - Well... - Larry J - 8/18/2003 8:49:45 PM
    - Oh come on Robert - FrankC - 8/15/2003 3:09:00 AM
      - "terror is as terror does" - Robert - 8/15/2003 7:22:27 PM
        
        Shotguns were widely used by American troops in Vietnam... - Larry J - 8/18/2003 9:09:12 PM
        
        Boiling oil was widely used by medieval troops in the Middle Ages - Robert - 8/19/2003 2:53:19 AM
        
        The point is historical and military accuracy... - Larry J - 8/19/2003 6:52:32 PM
        
        To the relief of the men inside the castle, - Lee - 8/19/2003 3:34:49 AM
        
        It does matter - Robert - 8/19/2003 6:19:19 PM
        
        re: It does matter - gbaikie - 8/19/2003 7:11:00 PM
        
        "We didn't start this war. Iraq started it by invading Kuwait." - Mary Anne - 8/20/2003 2:54:50 AM
        
        re: "We didn't start this war. Iraq started it by invading Kuwait." - amanda - 11/12/2003 6:36:50 PM
        
        re: "We didn't start this war. Iraq started it by invading Kuwait." - amanda - 11/12/2003 6:36:23 PM
        
        re: "We didn't start this war. Iraq started it by invading Kuwait." - gbaikie - 8/20/2003 4:37:27 AM
        
        Well actually it was the same war. - Lee - 8/20/2003 4:36:03 AM
        
        By your definition, we should get rid of everything but pea shooters. - Lee - 8/16/2003 4:07:39 AM
        
        HTML - Robert - 8/19/2003 6:23:10 PM
        
        Thanks Robert. I don't know why I typed that. (n/t) - Lee - 8/20/2003 4:38:58 AM
        
        Shoehorned?? - FrankC - 8/16/2003 3:47:16 AM
        
        re: Shoehorned?? - Robert - 8/16/2003 7:47:59 PM
        
        re: "terror is as terror does" - gbaikie - 8/15/2003 9:01:49 PM
        
        "terror is as terror does" - Robert - 8/15/2003 10:06:16 PM
        
        re: "terror is as terror does" - gbaikie - 8/16/2003 3:32:35 AM
        
        Napalm is as napalm does - Robert - 8/19/2003 3:12:46 AM
        
        What's wrong with terrorizing the enemy? - Lee - 8/19/2003 3:39:16 AM
        
        Why? - Robert - 8/19/2003 6:27:11 PM
        
        I'm not sure if napalm would be worse than this. - Lee - 8/18/2003 3:44:12 AM
- I love the smell of napalm in the morning. - Lee - 8/14/2003 8:34:33 AM
  - re: Remember? - Raoul - 8/14/2003 5:59:13 PM
  - It smells like children on fire. - Mary Anne - 8/14/2003 10:51:56 AM
    - re: Funny girl . . . - D. Spires - 11/6/2003 1:02:55 AM
    - The same could be said about any weapon. - Lee - 8/15/2003 6:32:45 AM
      - Lee proves himself to be a P.O.S. yet again - R.L. - 8/15/2003 8:32:31 PM
        
        No, but the enemy troops hiding behind those cribs were. - Lee - 8/16/2003 4:11:51 AM
      - Oh man! - FrankC - 8/15/2003 4:20:24 PM
        
        I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old. - Lee - 8/15/2003 5:14:51 PM
        
        re: I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old. - Mario Mario - 11/5/2003 5:11:39 PM
        
        The only good gook is a dead gook? - alcaray - 8/15/2003 5:47:46 PM
        
        re: The only good gook is a dead gook? - Mario Mario - 11/5/2003 5:08:23 PM
        
        re: The only good gook is a dead gook? - gook - 11/1/2003 11:00:42 PM
        
        re: The only good gook is a dead gook? - gook - 11/1/2003 10:59:53 PM
        
        an odd question, given the person. - Davin L. - 8/15/2003 7:40:27 PM
        
        I'm sure the children of Hamburg and Berlin had the same look on their faces too. - Lee - 8/16/2003 4:20:27 AM
        
        who did what to who for what reasons - Davin L. - 8/16/2003 4:48:13 PM
        
        Well Frik gave his two cents - Lee - 8/16/2003 6:37:39 PM
        
        re: Well Frik gave his two cents - Davin L. - 8/16/2003 10:21:04 PM
        
        Actually history proves my point. - Lee - 8/17/2003 5:17:18 AM
        
        Lee, you are a sick twisted soul. If anyone cares for you, its only out of human folly. (n/t) - Davin L. - 8/17/2003 6:23:44 PM
        
        Insults in place of an argument, a sure sign of a loser. (n/t) - Lee - 8/17/2003 10:55:58 PM
        
        To call my communication with you an 'argument' would be giving you too much credit. One can not have a battle of wits with the unarmed. (n/t) - Davin L. - 8/18/2003 2:40:53 AM
        
        As I said above, no argument, just alot of hot air. - Lee - 8/18/2003 3:14:51 AM
        
        re: No! Of course not! - Raoul - 8/17/2003 12:01:26 PM
        
        Europe has been at peace for the past 50 years for only one reason. - Lee - 8/17/2003 10:53:18 PM
        
        re: Europe has been at peace for the past 50 years for only one reason. - gbaikie - 8/17/2003 11:54:58 PM
        
        re: No! Of course not! - Davin L. - 8/17/2003 6:22:13 PM

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