"Shock and awe" was billed as a circus of generally nonlethal psychological weapons, like power-station and communications zappers, and precision lethal strikes against government buildings that leave adjacent buildings standing. Napalm is inconsistent with either tactic
those aren't "psycological weapons". The most humane weapon is one that makes your enemy, through usually fear or uncertaintly, decide that he is not going to fight, so you don;t have to kill them in the first place.
Take Napalm for example: I wonder how many RG soldiers saw the napalm blast and said "Oh hell-no. Fuck that I am going home."
We told them to surrender, and a few stupid ones didn't. At any time they could have walked away and deserted thier positions and lived long happy lives. But they decided against it, they decided they would stand and fight. Of those who stayed and fought, they got to hear about what happened to others in thier situation, so some more left. Yeagh, it sucks for those who got hit with it, but there were even more who said "screw that I am not dying like that for Saddam" and thus we didn't have to kill them at all.
I can see if right now, what if we did invent and deploy some majical weapon that when you shoot it at someone they die just as if they fell asleep with a happy little grin on thier face. I'm sure the world would applaud it. But you would end up having to kill more people, because it just wouldn't be as frightening, it would have a diminished psycological effect on those around it. The the world woudl turn around and say "hey wait a minute, you should have realized that would happen before you implemented it, you guys are just evil etc. . ."
Its why I personnally think that the idea of "rules in war" is genuinely stupid, inconsistent, illogical and in the end doesn't help anything. But thats just me.
-Justin Kelly
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- Immoral
- re: The immorality of napalm usage depends upon what you would consider a moral war . . .
- Nope. You just find excuses
- This thread is certainly easier to follow in 1024 x 768 display mode (n/t)
- The epitome of flame wars! Robert please add this to the hall o' flame!(nt) (n/t)
- You've only scratched the surface, bud
- fwiw, welcome Zhavric...and to Raoul...
- re: You've only scratched the surface, bud
- Actually...
- re: Actually...
- Since its flame, and you are acting
- Wow...
- re: Wow...
- Listen
- Dear Stupid
- re: What . . . ?
- Abandon all integrity oh ye who enter the hollow passage of the Right Wing Mind
- Let me clear it up for you...
- re: Listen
- Listen
- Chamberlain and Hitler were also chummy...
- re: Wow...
- re: Actually...
- Actually...
- My two cents worth on this
- re: Stupid
- re: Immoral
- Immoral
- Napalm is nasty stuff..
- As long as hairs are being split
- Splitting hairs way too finely
- OK, name a great way to die, and one that doesn't take up medical resources (n/t)
- Surely you jest
- yeagh, napalm is bad, but wait till you see what a chemical weapon can do!!
- re: the Burn Unit
- Ok then, name an explosive that won't burn anyone (n/t)
- re: No. YOU tell me what justifies the use of a weapon whose specific intent is to burn people.
- re: the Burn Unit
- Ok then, name an explosive that won't burn anyone (n/t)
- Let's review the situation
- re: the Burn Unit
- re: Surely you jest
- Phycological effects
- yeagh, napalm is bad, but wait till you see what a chemical weapon can do!!
- Well...
- Surely you jest
- Oh come on Robert
- "terror is as terror does"
- Shotguns were widely used by American troops in Vietnam...
- By your definition, we should get rid of everything but pea shooters.
- Shoehorned??
- re: "terror is as terror does"
- "terror is as terror does"
- OK, name a great way to die, and one that doesn't take up medical resources (n/t)
- I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
- re: Remember?
- It smells like children on fire.
- re: Funny girl . . .
- The same could be said about any weapon.
- Lee proves himself to be a P.O.S. yet again
- Oh man!
- I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old.
- re: I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old.
- The only good gook is a dead gook?
- re: The only good gook is a dead gook?
- re: The only good gook is a dead gook?
- re: The only good gook is a dead gook?
- an odd question, given the person.
- I'm sure the children of Hamburg and Berlin had the same look on their faces too.
- I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old.
