I think a major part of the context in this discussion, at least for me, is that in the days after the hurricane, everyone went directly for Bush's jugular and bit down hard.
There was no waiting for analysis, no waiting for the facts of the death tolls, looting, or anything else. Any idea that there was some local problems was brushed off with something along the lines of "Well, I'm sure there's some blame to go around, BUT..." and then the teeth clamped down tighter.
This turned into raw politics before the rain even stopped. And for a lot of people, it still is.
I spent some time--go back and look--trying to inject some goddam facts into the situation about response times, who was where and when, and what was real and what wasn't. Didn't help much. The closest I could get to prying that deathgrip on the jugular loose were comments along the lines of "well, it wasn't his fault, but he's still responsible!"
And then I was accused of being a Bush buttmonkey for showing that much of what the media was pumping out was wrong at best, and lies at worst. You wonder why I was frustrated? And then I get people like Tony going, "what media problem?"
I'm still working on injecting facts into the issue.
The idea that everybody knew Monday that the levees were a major disaster isn't true. I have links to news stories indicating that the problem was not immediately recognized. This story is typical, stating that the Corps of Engineers had a handle on the flooding, although you can see the other rumors already ramping up.
And my original post on Flame still stands. When someone is in trouble, that their first, and often only, thought is Washington D.C. is not the way our system was intended to work.
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- This was reply to something on flame, but rightly belongs here
- re: This was reply to something on flame, but rightly belongs here
- One thing you said, in all of that glop, was meaningful
- You missed the main point and dodged others
- Which was easy, because there was no main point, nor any others
- Not Federal Troops
- Gosh, Don't make me pull a Brosz on you. ;-)
- re: my point
- Talk about bullshit
- Try not skimming next time.
- Talk about bullshit
- Which was easy, because there was no main point, nor any others
- You missed the main point and dodged others
- One thing you said, in all of that glop, was meaningful
- Where is chicken little when we need her?
- So what if he lied. So what if Bush lied. What's the difference?
- Context
- Agreed, start to finish
- go ahead, blame Bush.
- For non-response by an agency administered by the Executive branch of which he is the head? Sure!
- go ahead, blame Bush.
- Levee failure
- This is silly
- what preparation would have prevented the levy failure?
- se above (n/t)
- re: This is sillier
- for every thread, spin,spin,spin
- Lets assume everyone knew the levy was going to fail 60-70 hours before Katrina.
- Thats sort of the point- they *should* have known the levees were going to fail 36-48 hours out, and ended up doing nothing
- Lets assume everyone knew the levy was going to fail 60-70 hours before Katrina.
- for every thread, spin,spin,spin
- what preparation would have prevented the levy failure?
- This is silly
- Oh, the original lead into that, the context that its missing was:
- re: This was reply to something on flame, but rightly belongs here
