A different outcome to history? A Germany that held Poland and Austria? A Hitler that wasn't so crazy?
None of those things would mean anything to me. The current timeline made it possible for me to be born and to see things from two quite disparate cultural points of view.
The point was if Germany was a threat to the US. Germany had no aircraft that could reach us, no fleet of carriers to take planes to us, no rockets that could reach our shores.
Germany was a threat to our shipping in the Atlantic, but not much else. After the Lend-Lease Act it can be argued well that our shipping to Britain became a legitimate target.
Most American businessmen were OPPOSED to entering the European War (as it was called between 1939 and 1942) and their opinions were recorded in a Fortune magazine poll in 1941. They argued quite successfully the US had absolutely no stake in the war and our participation would not benefit us or was worth US lives.
In retrospect, the political right of 1941 was wrong much as the political left of today is wrong. Both cannot see the benefits.
Industrialization and mass production really took off after the war was over. Hitler was a very bad man and the Nazi regime was worse than anyone knew. (much like Saddam) Was it worth 300,000 US lives to get rid of Hitler? That figure makes the 2,300 lives to oust Saddam seem like a wholesale bargain when viewed by numbers alone. But numbers only tell part of the picture. Sometimes waging war is necessary for the defense of others.
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Wistful of what?
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- I have become convinced that Bowser doesn't read posts here
- Oh, for God's Sake!!!
- not hoped..
- re:Sorry, but....
- re: re:Sorry, but....
- I've said it before...
- "He hates anything that America does.........."
- Has he anything good to say about America?
- re: Where exactly do you imagine this is happening? (n/t)
- Yes.
- Gawd, are you brainwashed or what??
- Has he anything good to say about America?
- Forgive them, Raoul, they know not what they do.
- The Germans were not chased out of Belgium by diplomacy. (n/t)
- re: The Germans had been the invaders (n/t)
- I believe Raoul's point is that the Germans were no more invited into Belgium than we were invited into Iraq.
- Okay, if we're going in that direction...
- The USSR had already entered Germany from the other direction.
- That doesn't change the issue at all.
- If you wish to fight on the battlefield of history, you must deal with the facts as they are.
- Playing (only slight) DA
- Hitler was...
- re: Playing (only slight) DA
- "Are you sure Hitler was a threat to the rest of the world."(?)
- re: Rockets
- re: Rockets
- Nuking the US - absurd
- 09-10-01, Terrorist bringing down the WTC buildings. Absurd! (n/t)
- re: But Saddam was not left alone after 1991! (n/t)
- Nuking the US - absurd
- Sure by 1951...maybe.
- re: Rockets
- Good to see you Mary Anne
- re: The USSR had already entered Germany from the other direction.
- re: re:Because the UN is about international law and respect of sovereignty of states (n/t)
- Maybe sovereignty should belong to the people, not any murderous dictator who seizes power? (n/t)
- And about funneling money to Saddam for "Oil for Food". LOL! (n/t)
- I still do not see the difference between what Hitler did to France and what Saddam did to Kuwait
- re: re:Because the UN is about international law and respect of sovereignty of states (n/t)
- That doesn't change the issue at all.
- The USSR had already entered Germany from the other direction.
- Moral equivalence is wonderful isn't it?
- Okay, if we're going in that direction...
- We asked VERY nicely... (n/t)
- Black and White
- Both - And v. Black and White, Either - Or", and "but".
- re: Black and White
- A partial answer to CE
- War gave you your freedom
- Courage gave us freedom.
- Not bad
- Well said, sir. (n/t)
- Excellent answer
- This deserves to be read again.
- Thank you Bowser...........clap, clap, clap
- War gave you your freedom
- What a load of crap...
- Thanks Raoul for sharing that story
- re: re:Sorry, but....
