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Why I am for a strong defense. - Jody - 10/4/2008 12:29:52 PM
- Jody, get to a counselor and find out where your fear is coming from - azstrummer - 10/6/2008 3:35:07 AM
  - Art.. - Jody - 10/7/2008 5:50:49 PM
- Peace through strength - Lindy - 10/4/2008 11:28:48 PM
  - BILLIONS of US cash missing in Iraq - Lindy - 10/5/2008 12:11:25 AM
    - "Where is the outrage?" - Jody - 10/5/2008 11:33:22 AM
      - re: "Where is the outrage?" - Lindy - 10/5/2008 3:27:53 PM
        
        Obama is indeed a very fortunate son... - Jody - 10/5/2008 3:45:51 PM
- Give a Conservative an army and they'll invade someone. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 11:23:49 PM
- Why I am for a strong defense. Me too, and a weak offense. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 3:16:46 PM
- re: US attitude problem - Raoul - 10/4/2008 2:47:42 PM
  - re: US attitude problem - TB - 10/4/2008 5:12:07 PM
  - You make some valid points - Eri - 10/4/2008 3:23:13 PM
  - "I hope Obama will be able to change this" - Jody - 10/4/2008 3:02:57 PM

Governments choosing military to control crowds - Eric - 10/6/2008 3:53:01 PM
- What sort of "civil unrest" would Bush & Cheney be anticipating? Didn't do it for Katrina, for instance. - Bowser - 10/7/2008 5:37:52 AM
  - Runs on BANKS, for instance. - carl - 10/7/2008 4:24:49 PM

Ford Considers Importing Ka here - carl - 10/6/2008 7:41:00 PM
- "Evil Twin" video is sick - Lindy - 10/7/2008 12:25:06 AM
  - Found it SHOCKING Tooo!!!! - carl - 10/7/2008 4:22:04 PM

Have you noticed that the winger argument "Well things would be MUCH worse under Kerry or Gore!" hasnt been used here for quite a while.... - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 1:51:40 PM
- Yeah, none of this would have happened under either of them. - TB - 10/6/2008 2:50:38 PM
  - Do you think anyone would have done what Bush has? - Bowser - 10/7/2008 2:06:56 AM
  - Wow, are you really going to try to sell that? - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 3:00:42 PM
    - Sorry, thought we were talking about the economy. (n/t) - TB - 10/6/2008 3:04:18 PM
      - WHAT would your reaction have been 8 years ago if someone told you things would be as bad as they are now? - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 3:40:00 PM
        
        You did. - TB - 10/6/2008 4:02:36 PM
        
        Way to avoid the question, TB - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 4:08:45 PM
        
        Well, tell me... - TB - 10/6/2008 4:20:29 PM
        
        "What would you have said a few years ago if I told you we were going to essentially win the war in Iraq? " - Wait, are you actually claiming 'mission accomplished' yet again? - ARRELL - 10/7/2008 3:45:33 AM
        
        As far as the surge is concerned, yes. - TB - 10/7/2008 4:47:37 AM
        
        Sooo- we can pull our troops out immediately since we 'won'? (n/t) - ARRELL - 10/7/2008 4:54:36 AM
        
        Read it again. - TB - 10/7/2008 5:02:50 AM
        
        You are so transparent..... - ARRELL - 10/7/2008 1:37:05 PM
        
        You might want to get back to the economy... ;) (n/t) - TB - 10/7/2008 5:03:44 AM
      - No, I was talking about the whole miserable package, but even if we restricted it to the economy you couldnt possibly sell that BS... - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 3:09:41 PM

Teacher Suspended For Releasing Obama Youth Video - gbaikie - 10/7/2008 3:10:18 AM

kinetic sculpture - JEKing - 10/5/2008 1:45:06 AM
- re: kinetic sculpture - Mary Anne - 10/6/2008 4:49:48 PM
  - On second thought... - Mary Anne - 10/6/2008 4:53:37 PM
    - re: On second thought... - JEKing - 10/7/2008 2:46:19 AM

You know it sucks to be in John McCain's shoes... - z - 10/6/2008 11:13:20 PM

World markets crash.... - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 1:30:13 PM
- It's looking more and more like George Herbert Hoover Bush to be followed by Barack FDR Obama... (n/t) - z - 10/6/2008 1:59:20 PM
  - No.... - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 2:07:18 PM
    - re: No.... - Lindy - 10/6/2008 10:32:42 PM
    - re: No.... - Lindy - 10/6/2008 10:32:39 PM
    - Good reason to vote for McCain (n/t) - Arnuld S. - 10/6/2008 3:03:06 PM
    - Wow...got that meme ready to go already? - TB - 10/6/2008 2:59:10 PM
      - Consider what Bush's "legacy" is, and then how long it will last. - Bowser - 10/6/2008 6:55:50 PM
      - LOL! - z - 10/6/2008 3:35:50 PM
      - WHAT meme? I said no matter who is elected... - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 3:07:40 PM
    - Americans didn't blame Roosevelt for the last Depression; they won't blame Obama for this one - z - 10/6/2008 2:43:02 PM
      - 1) It is by no means certain that Obama will win... - ARRELL - 10/6/2008 3:57:23 PM
        
        Unless a dramatic event turns the focus away from the economy... - z - 10/6/2008 4:37:35 PM

Obama may have some real campaign contribution problems. - Bowser - 10/6/2008 8:19:13 PM

Ya gotta hand it to 'em! - "Economists getting gloomier", and "Dow down more than 700 points". - Bowser - 10/6/2008 7:02:31 PM
- Depressed RECESSION....Down 900 points - carl - 10/6/2008 7:42:33 PM

A site you should all check out - azstrummer - 10/6/2008 2:49:19 AM
- Heres' a good one too Art. - Jody - 10/6/2008 3:34:05 AM
- Sorry to disappoint - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/6/2008 3:24:17 AM
  - re: "Amazing how no one on the left side rails into Obama or Biden?" - alcaray - 10/6/2008 6:41:38 PM
  - re: Sorry to disappoint - JEKing - 10/6/2008 4:23:06 AM

"Main Street vs. Wall Street" - TB - 10/6/2008 3:20:11 PM

Gwen Ifill: Palin "Blew Me Off" - Algorithms - 10/6/2008 1:11:32 AM
- Remember when the Democrats refused a debate on Fox? - TB - 10/6/2008 4:07:43 AM
  - Heh. "Our first question will go to Sen. Biden - 'How can you stand to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning?'" - Bowser - 10/6/2008 2:38:33 PM
  - I heard barely a whimper over Bob Schieffer. - tony - 10/6/2008 9:45:52 AM
- Ifill sabotaged any chance of a "debate" by being afraid to follow-up. - Bowser - 10/6/2008 1:25:59 AM
  - Tis a good thing I wasn't the moderator. - Eri - 10/6/2008 2:15:22 AM
  - She didn't have to - algorithms - 10/6/2008 1:30:13 AM
    - Yes but there are a lot of people out there who don't agree. - Eri - 10/6/2008 2:17:49 AM

McCain - "The betting money says he will make a bold move, and hope it doesn't backfire." - Bowser - 10/6/2008 1:38:59 PM
- "McCain declares Rev. Wright issue off limits." - Bowser - 10/6/2008 1:50:58 PM
  - re: "McCain declares Rev. Wright issue off limits." Palin disagrees, and has her own Pastors. - Bowser - 10/6/2008 2:16:10 PM

SNL's take on VP Debate - Eri - 10/5/2008 4:35:51 PM
- Jill Sixpack and the Holy Rollers for McCain. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/6/2008 12:43:25 AM
  - Palin HAS to win now - Socrates II - 10/6/2008 3:40:49 AM

British commander says Afghan war cannot be won - Eric - 10/5/2008 5:31:03 PM
- "Source: Saudi hosts Afghan peace talks with Taliban reps." No US, NATO. - Bowser - 10/5/2008 11:04:44 PM
  - re: peace talks with Taliban - TB - 10/5/2008 11:56:49 PM
    - "The lesson of Vietnam was that negotiations and "treaties" are considered just another battle tactic by some people." - Bowser - 10/6/2008 12:35:57 AM
      - Fine. - TB - 10/6/2008 12:50:54 AM
        
        By the way, TB. Don't blame me. Bush is CinC. - Bowser - 10/6/2008 2:01:29 AM
        
        The lessons of Vietnam applied to Afghanistan. GWB has made the Taliban look good. - Bowser - 10/6/2008 1:51:36 AM

"Bailout 101" - TB - 10/4/2008 5:30:59 PM
- Opinion Versus Facts - Lindy - 10/5/2008 4:04:59 PM
- Mark-to-Market My-Ass - James Brown - 10/5/2008 1:41:52 AM
- re: "Pork 101" - SteveS - 10/4/2008 7:03:03 PM
  - The entire plan is pork. All of it. To be dispensed by Bush, at will. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/5/2008 12:28:13 AM
    - Bush? - TB - 10/5/2008 2:04:34 AM
      - "I'm not sure Cheney even showed up in the stadium at all." - Lindy - 10/5/2008 4:07:28 PM
      - I'll give you that one,narrowly. Paulson serves at the pleasure of Bush, reports to Bush. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/5/2008 2:13:50 AM
        
        Theoretically, so does Cheney. - TB - 10/5/2008 2:38:30 AM
        
        re: Theoretically, Bush reports to Cheney - Sheesh - 10/5/2008 4:08:24 PM
        
        Um...that was the meme switch I was talking about. (n/t) - TB - 10/5/2008 6:18:59 PM
        
        I have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't think you do either. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/5/2008 11:06:36 PM
        
        What? I've said that the bailout is pure pork, all of it, and doled out by Bush. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. - Bowser - 10/5/2008 2:55:07 AM
        
        re: What? I've said that the bailout is pure pork, all of it, and doled out by Bush. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. - gbaikie - 10/5/2008 7:44:54 AM
- I know what it means. Don't YOU tell me what it means! Do you want ME to tell YOU what it means!!?? - Bowser - 10/4/2008 5:53:39 PM
  - "If I had any super vision, Fred, we wouldn't be in this mess!" - TB - 10/4/2008 9:02:31 PM
    - re: "If I had any super vision, Fred, we wouldn't be in this mess!" - gbaikie - 10/5/2008 12:43:12 AM

Officials say Taliban mad over alleged US strike - Peter Bruener - 10/5/2008 8:24:59 AM
- Poor abused Talibanis - Eri - 10/5/2008 4:40:30 PM

Materials scientists in Greece, Switzerland store hydrogen. - JEKing - 10/5/2008 2:48:06 AM

Dems’ Split over Obama - gbaikie - 10/5/2008 1:25:03 AM

Counting Freddie and Fannie, $1.8 trillion for lenders, not borrowers. It gets worse. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 3:16:54 AM
- Does anyone promise things will get better with this bailout? And what it doesn't cover. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 4:49:52 AM
  - "Bailout 101" - TB - 10/4/2008 5:23:02 PM
  - re: Does anyone promise things will get better with this bailout? And what it doesn't cover. - SteveS - 10/4/2008 4:24:58 PM
    - Probably want a new thread for that. Please refer to subject line above. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/4/2008 4:59:20 PM
  - One example of what happens when credit dries up. - alcaray - 10/4/2008 5:48:21 AM
    - If I'm not mistaken that's in spite of a bailout. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 3:10:06 PM
      - Oh and the other bit of your post. - alcaray - 10/4/2008 8:16:43 PM
      - There is nothing that can be done that will solve all the problems immediately. - alcaray - 10/4/2008 8:11:46 PM
        
        I could not agree more. I have another concern, though. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 8:47:55 PM
        
        Honestly, it is too complicated for me to have an informed opinion. - alcaray - 10/4/2008 11:24:09 PM
- Feeding the Beast - Lindy - 10/4/2008 3:30:01 AM

Sign of the End Times: Billionaire Warren Buffett will play Ukelele with hip hop star Akon as economy burns... - ARRELL - 10/4/2008 1:12:13 PM
- What do you think he should be doing? - TB - 10/4/2008 4:51:51 PM
  - I am sure there is a Nostradamus Quatrain that 'predicted' this... - ARRELL - 10/4/2008 5:07:55 PM
  - Oh calm down ... - ARRELL - 10/4/2008 5:05:58 PM
    - You mean "OH CALM DOWN!" don't you? ;) (n/t) - TB - 10/4/2008 5:34:06 PM
- re: history repeats - Eric - 10/4/2008 3:34:44 PM

Biden won.............hands down - Lindy - 10/3/2008 2:49:16 AM
- re: Nah, the feet won - SteveS - 10/4/2008 4:41:45 PM
- The best summation I've seen. - Bowser - 10/3/2008 2:53:54 PM
  - Agreed, and... - McFly - 10/3/2008 5:37:49 PM
    - Interesting, and at the end they gave 'em both "B"s? - Bowser - 10/3/2008 9:22:52 PM
      - Graded on the curve. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 11:02:29 PM
        
        OK. Clearly the curves go to Palin. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/4/2008 1:48:37 AM
        
        *giggle* (n/t) - Jody - 10/4/2008 5:25:37 PM
- I thought it was tied. They both did well. (n/t) - REB - 10/3/2008 12:58:25 PM
  - She has *verve*...she hasn't been tainted by Washington. (n/t) - Jody - 10/3/2008 1:26:13 PM
    - I like her. - REB - 10/3/2008 1:39:05 PM
      - She is charming. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 6:54:15 PM
        
        re: She is charming. - gbaikie - 10/3/2008 8:17:54 PM
        
        It would probably go to Hillary. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 8:38:46 PM
        
        re: It would probably go to Hillary. - gbaikie - 10/3/2008 9:46:23 PM
        
        re: She is charming. - REB - 10/3/2008 8:12:22 PM
        
        I'm not criticizing her experience. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 8:43:43 PM
      - Most men do - Lindy - 10/3/2008 4:42:41 PM
        
        re: Most men do - gbaikie - 10/3/2008 8:27:07 PM
        
        re: Most men do - REB - 10/3/2008 4:53:59 PM
- Depends upon the measures. - Bowser - 10/3/2008 4:08:22 AM
  - She didn't play well with independent women voters. - Eri - 10/3/2008 3:03:12 PM
    - " a Cheney in high heels" - Lindy - 10/3/2008 4:45:29 PM
      - What is it with Republicans? - Eri - 10/3/2008 8:13:39 PM
        
        What's in a name? - Robert - 10/4/2008 2:47:29 AM
        
        :-) (n/t) - Eri - 10/4/2008 3:59:18 AM
        
        A Republican friend of mine remarked to me today.... - Lindy - 10/4/2008 3:34:27 AM
        
        The Founders didn't have to be psychic. - Mary Anne - 10/4/2008 12:32:40 AM
        
        Good point! (n/t) - Eri - 10/4/2008 1:04:54 AM
  - What else is there to like? I'm not being sarcastic at the moment. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/3/2008 12:55:06 PM
    - I won't say here because what I say won't matter anyway. - Jody - 10/3/2008 1:48:14 PM
      - Hmmm. - Bowser - 10/3/2008 2:05:09 PM
        
        I agree..but what is that song? - Jody - 10/3/2008 2:14:43 PM
  - Yep..I agree Bowser...but personally...I like her....and NOT because of froth. (n/t) - Jody - 10/3/2008 12:40:47 PM
- Palin gave winks and smiles, dodged questions, uttered meaningless generalities - z - 10/3/2008 3:19:23 AM
- Biden - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 3:08:18 AM
  - re: Biden - RobVG - 10/3/2008 3:23:09 AM
    - Sure. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 3:47:48 AM
      - re: Sure. - REB - 10/3/2008 1:00:54 PM
        
        re: Sure. - gbaikie - 10/3/2008 9:33:07 PM
      - McCain voted for that bill too. (n/t) - RobVG - 10/3/2008 4:16:34 AM
        
        Precisely. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 4:45:30 AM
- Probably - RobVG - 10/3/2008 2:57:58 AM
  - Palin will win - Socrates II - 10/3/2008 3:09:46 AM
    - Cynical, but you have a point. (n/t) - RobVG - 10/3/2008 3:16:35 AM

Karma - Eri - 10/4/2008 4:27:45 PM
- Just in case... - Eri - 10/4/2008 4:29:53 PM
  - It ain't over. - Bowser - 10/4/2008 5:07:35 PM

The bar is low and the stakes very, very high for Palin. Reminds me of Nixon "Checkers" speech. - Bowser - 10/2/2008 7:57:31 PM
- I don't think anyone can say that Ifill sandbagged her. - Bowser - 10/3/2008 2:49:19 AM
  - She was fair and impartial. - REB - 10/3/2008 2:43:42 PM
- But then what's the mechanism for choosing a new running mate? - Eri - 10/2/2008 10:30:39 PM
  - Palin's cleaning Biden's clock. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 1:49:20 AM
    - Yet again the polls show that you are out of touch.... (n/t) - ARRELL - 10/3/2008 1:16:57 PM
    - Yeah, riiiiight. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 2:38:06 AM
      - Well... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 2:47:36 AM
        
        "She spoke to the American people", my foot. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 3:02:48 AM
        
        "Mastery" - TB - 10/3/2008 6:01:30 AM
        
        You misunderstood - McFly - 10/3/2008 6:55:21 PM
        
        re: You misunderstood - gbaikie - 10/4/2008 2:32:53 AM
        
        So did most listeners then. - TB - 10/3/2008 10:39:02 PM
        
        You arrogant prick - McFly - 10/4/2008 12:30:46 AM
        
        If TB didnt get it, how can you expect the _little people_ to get it? - ARRELL - 10/4/2008 1:14:18 AM
        
        Ah... the RL school of posting. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/4/2008 1:11:26 AM
        
        TB NEVER misunderstands... - ARRELL - 10/3/2008 7:01:55 PM
        
        re: "She spoke to the American people", my foot. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 3:28:07 AM
        
        re: "She spoke to the American people", my foot. - REB - 10/3/2008 2:32:54 PM
    - Riiiight.... and you thought McCain won the first debate.... - ARRELL - 10/3/2008 1:52:28 AM
      - And the left here thought Cheney lost to Edwards - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 2:34:23 AM
        
        Imagine if Edwards had debated Palin - Socrates II - 10/3/2008 3:24:20 AM
        
        By my standards... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/3/2008 4:12:38 AM
      - She's unresponsive but on-message. Lying faster than Biden can correct her. Some are getting through. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/3/2008 1:54:50 AM
        
        I gotta go lie down... - TB - 10/3/2008 2:24:24 AM
        
        Good thing it wasn't the word 'change' - REB - 10/3/2008 2:38:37 PM
        
        Me, too... - Jody - 10/3/2008 2:04:04 PM
        
        CALL AN AMBULANCE - ARRELL - 10/3/2008 2:48:09 AM
        
        Seriously, both of them did pretty well. - TB - 10/3/2008 2:33:41 AM
        
        I agree. - alcaray - 10/3/2008 2:41:01 AM
        
        flirting with the camera - Robert - 10/3/2008 2:55:50 AM
        
        Interesting .. - Jody - 10/3/2008 2:08:57 PM
        
        Just warming up. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 6:08:35 PM
        
        This isn't about agreeing with *you*, Jody. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 8:14:35 PM
        
        Foreign Policy... - Jody - 10/4/2008 12:03:02 PM
        
        Yeah..I didn't think anyone would agree with me.:) - Jody - 10/3/2008 7:48:58 PM
        
        Oops -- see above. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 8:22:19 PM
        
        Biden was in a very tight corner - Socrates II - 10/3/2008 3:17:56 AM
        
        and no "You're no Hillary Clinton" moment, either - Robert - 10/3/2008 3:33:26 AM
        
        re: and no "You're no Hillary Clinton" moment, either - H. Bowser - 10/3/2008 4:33:06 PM
        
        Pageant strategy - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 3:16:53 AM
        
        "Sarah Palin is a lot like a squirrel." - Robert - 10/3/2008 3:50:06 AM
        
        re: Neither one of you guys read the article did you? (n/t) - SteveS - 10/3/2008 4:15:39 AM
        
        Oh, I did. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 4:28:52 AM
        
        re: Doesn't explain the 30 years to make mistakes - SteveS - 10/3/2008 4:46:46 AM
        
        The piece brought up things from years and years ago. - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 6:12:51 PM
        
        "Sarah Palin is a lot like a squirrel."- Hangs out with a lot of nuts? Has litters of 5? Has no reason to be in the white house? (n/t) - ARRELL - 10/3/2008 4:10:58 AM
        
        re: Pageant strategy - Robert - 10/3/2008 3:44:13 AM
        
        Empty good looks - that never stopped anyone from making it big in life - Socrates II - 10/3/2008 3:22:33 AM
        
        Yes, they did. Better than their principles, imo. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 10/3/2008 2:40:06 AM
- Reminds me of the Sarkozy Royal debate for the french presidency - Raoul - 10/2/2008 9:46:59 PM

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