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U.S. cites China for repression, torture - Bowser - 3/11/2008 7:10:39 PM
- This is why people can't take you seriously. - TB - 3/11/2008 7:39:45 PM
  - Newsflash: China's Cultural Revolution worse than Bush administration! - alcaray - 3/11/2008 8:52:49 PM
    - And Bush is CERTAINLY better than Saddam! - ARRELL - 3/11/2008 8:59:30 PM
  - Bowsers trademarked hyperbole aside, I am sure even you recognize our ability to convincingly call others on human rights abuses is not what it was thanks to this administration (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/11/2008 7:57:35 PM

"Fallon resigns as chief of U.S. forces in Middle East" - He's the first. - Bowser - 3/11/2008 7:08:19 PM
- I have a bad feeling about this... - ARRELL - 3/11/2008 7:13:43 PM
  - This seems to be the article triggering this: - ARRELL - 3/11/2008 7:43:22 PM

Environmentalists drop the other shoe - TB - 3/10/2008 4:22:43 PM
- And your intuition tells you what? - Bowser - 3/10/2008 8:23:01 PM
  - There was a reason I added the second link. - TB - 3/10/2008 8:46:16 PM
    - I'm surprised, TB - McFly - 3/11/2008 1:43:54 PM
      - The actual point... - TB - 3/11/2008 4:47:36 PM

Has anybody really Done the MATH on the Illegals Here? - carl - 3/8/2008 5:34:17 PM
- Why not pay those costs by taxing the people who hire them? (n/t) - ER - 3/9/2008 4:20:43 PM
  - True, but illegal ECONOMY......... - carl - 3/11/2008 4:11:26 PM

Iraq War: $12 billion a month and rising - Algorithms - 3/10/2008 12:40:07 PM
- Add to that the INCREDIBLE spending by the 'fiscally responsible' republicans - ARRELL - 3/11/2008 1:18:56 AM
  - Say what you will. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/11/2008 5:04:18 AM
  - Yeah, that's it RL. It's all about $30 billion in earmarks. (n/t) - TB - 3/11/2008 3:03:10 AM
- Thank you for the information - McFly - 3/10/2008 4:01:24 PM
- re: Join the Army - Eric - 3/10/2008 3:08:04 PM
- Kinda blows the $3 Trillion number to hell, doesn't it? - Lee - 3/10/2008 2:42:50 PM

At first I thought... - Eri - 3/10/2008 7:42:01 PM

NEI presentation on nuclear power plant progress - TB - 3/9/2008 10:00:27 PM
- Interesting... nuclear is costing only $16.80/Mwh to produce. - TAFKASE - 3/10/2008 7:06:49 PM
- re: NEI presentation on nuclear power plant progress - gbaikie - 3/10/2008 12:13:44 AM

"The three trillion dollar war." - Bowser - 3/4/2008 7:55:50 AM
- The last paradigm shift: "The victory won't be worth the money." - TB - 3/4/2008 5:18:21 PM
  - O come on. We've been giving you crud about the cost since... - alcaray - 3/5/2008 1:13:11 AM
    - re: O come on. We've been giving you crud about the cost since... - gbaikie - 3/5/2008 3:07:35 AM
  - Paradigm shifts suck, don't they? - ARRELL - 3/4/2008 10:29:47 PM
    - You're stuck too. - TB - 3/5/2008 12:34:18 AM
      - No, its about a lot more than the money, its about the cost... - ARRELL - 3/6/2008 2:42:16 AM
      - you didnt answer the question: 'was it worth it'? (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/5/2008 9:58:21 PM
        
        I don't know yet. Neither do you. - TB - 3/6/2008 4:07:41 PM
        
        Tom, is there ANY way it looks like it has been, or will be, worth many times the human and financial cost of 9-11 - ARRELL - 3/6/2008 11:39:21 PM
        
        Is that the benchmark we're going by? - TB - 3/7/2008 2:01:10 AM
        
        Its the benchmark we were given by Bush and Co. to justify this war- - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 6:14:53 PM
        
        re: costs - TB - 3/8/2008 1:22:28 AM
        
        If you don't know yet, 4+ years in, then why were you so gung-ho to do this? (n/t) - Yeti - 3/6/2008 4:19:09 PM
        
        re: 4+ years in - TB - 3/6/2008 5:36:12 PM
      - Policial Progress was not a goalpost shift. - Tony - 3/5/2008 6:16:32 PM
        
        re: goalpost shift. - TB - 3/5/2008 7:14:12 PM
        
        So how come you get a big list, but you think we are only entitled to one criticism that must never change. - alcaray - 3/5/2008 9:19:41 PM
        
        dont just take my word for it. - Tony - 3/5/2008 8:21:17 PM
        
        and down the internet memory hole it goes..... - Tony - 3/7/2008 6:14:21 PM
      - re: there's not one of them that isn't almost identical to something that could have been written a year ago. Maybe two. - Yeti - 3/5/2008 3:39:45 AM
        
        re: written a year ago - TB - 3/5/2008 3:56:15 AM
        
        re: 'Chicken Quibble' - Yeti - 3/6/2008 4:38:15 PM
        
        "So, how's that recession coming?" - TB - 3/7/2008 5:14:35 PM
        
        Tom, you are crazy. - Yeti - 3/7/2008 5:22:30 PM
        
        Oh, and PS.... how is that 'manufactured recession' Quibble coming along? - Yeti - 3/7/2008 6:30:42 PM
        
        "Worst jobs performance in five years." - TB - 3/8/2008 12:24:27 AM
        
        It'ssssss the MEDIA'S FAULT!! - Tony - 3/7/2008 6:41:58 PM
        
        Sorry, Tony... I get confused. I thought it was Clintons fault this week. (n/t) - Yeti - 3/7/2008 7:21:00 PM
        
        Whoops, my bad - Tony - 3/7/2008 8:53:52 PM
        
        And also recall- no matter what the issue - Yeti - 3/7/2008 10:39:30 PM
        
        re: 'Chicken Quibble' - TB - 3/6/2008 5:56:45 PM
  - Who said anything about victory? - Yeti - 3/4/2008 8:56:08 PM
    - Sorry, losing track of the goalposts again. - TB - 3/4/2008 9:53:07 PM
      - re:then stop moving them around every week. - Yeti - 3/4/2008 10:51:42 PM
      - Regime change, nukes, WMDs, democracy. Who is losing track? - Bowser - 3/4/2008 10:07:47 PM
  - Learn your history - Raoul - 3/4/2008 8:11:25 PM
    - WW II .........Last Proper WAR - carl - 3/5/2008 6:08:49 PM
      - Rope-a-dope - ER - 3/6/2008 3:36:07 AM
        
        re: Rope-a-dope - TB - 3/6/2008 4:13:37 PM
        
        Our tactical successes have yielded no strategic benefits. - ER - 3/10/2008 6:12:02 PM
        
        NEWSFLASH!!!NEWSFLASH!!!NEWSFLASH!!! - Yeti - 3/6/2008 5:21:13 PM
        
        Well, you certainly got the "nobody cares" right. - TB - 3/6/2008 6:05:26 PM
        
        I know who Cordesman is, as well I know what the CSIS is. - Yeti - 3/6/2008 6:28:16 PM
        
        re: I know who Cordesman is, as well I know what the CSIS is. - gbaikie - 3/7/2008 8:16:06 AM
        
        MAYBE, when trying to determine a group' s bias, you should look at more than their own site and a wikipedia entry they wrote... - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 8:28:34 PM
        
        time required to read gbaikie's worthless post: 10 seconds, search time to verify that csis Is a right wing think-tank: 1 minute 35 seconds, showing- yet again- that gbaikie is an unthinking politica… - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 7:48:09 PM
        
        Heh. - TB - 3/8/2008 1:20:23 AM
        
        Look at their history, TB, then tell me they are not 'right wing' - ARRELL - 3/8/2008 1:25:12 AM
        
        You'll go to any length to avoid the actual information, won't you? - TB - 3/8/2008 2:49:29 AM
        
        As will you, apparently (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/9/2008 3:02:21 PM
        
        Probability that gbaikie will admit his mistake and apologize: NIL (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 8:03:49 PM
        
        re: Probability that gbaikie will admit his mistake and apologize: NIL - gbaikie - 3/8/2008 10:57:12 PM
        
        As I said: NIL (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/9/2008 3:01:21 PM
        
        Knights Who Say Ni, say Ni (n/t) - gbaikie - 3/10/2008 4:24:40 AM

Finally - a book on Iraq Conservatives can read. - Bowser - 3/10/2008 1:24:09 AM
- re: Finally - a book on Iraq Conservatives can read. - gbaikie - 3/10/2008 4:19:16 AM
  - Did Bush lie to the public about that war? To the UN? Etc.? - Bowser - 3/10/2008 4:30:01 AM
    - re: Did Bush lie to the public about that war? To the UN? Etc.? - gbaikie - 3/10/2008 6:44:36 AM
      - Ridiculous. - Bowser - 3/10/2008 5:40:13 PM

Michael Yon's latest - TB - 3/10/2008 5:36:19 PM

Is America better off than it was 8 years ago? - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 6:06:38 PM
- re: Is America better off than it was 8 years ago? - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/8/2008 2:39:43 AM
  - Electronics EQUIPMENT, too - carl - 3/8/2008 5:28:17 PM
    - Yes, definitely. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/9/2008 11:59:01 PM
      - Cars today, Ugggghhhhhh! - carl - 3/10/2008 3:29:34 PM
- Are people the age we were 8 years ago better off? - Bowser - 3/8/2008 12:36:47 AM
- re: Is America better off than it was 8 years ago? - gbaikie - 3/7/2008 10:55:48 PM
- re: Is America better off than it was 8 years ago? - TB - 3/7/2008 10:52:51 PM
  - so long as we're cherry picking, why nor pick the rotting on the tree ones - Tony - 3/10/2008 12:35:02 PM
  - Perhaps you misunderstood/misread the question - Robert - 3/8/2008 1:44:36 AM
    - Interesting concept... - TB - 3/8/2008 2:35:54 AM
      - re: Interesting concept... - McFly - 3/9/2008 5:36:54 AM
      - Wiping us out - "Democratic socialist ideas." - Bowser - 3/8/2008 5:33:51 PM
        
        re: Wiping us out - TB - 3/8/2008 5:48:01 PM
        
        I hate to do it but I have to - Eri - 3/9/2008 4:58:04 AM
        
        This is amazing. - TB - 3/9/2008 6:53:34 AM
        
        You just don't get it - Eri - 3/9/2008 2:05:05 PM
        
        No. You don't. - TB - 3/9/2008 5:45:43 PM
        
        You want to talk earmarks? - Lee - 3/9/2008 2:39:58 PM
  - I'm certainly better of financially than I was 8 years ago. - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 10:58:35 PM
    - re: I'm certainly better of financially than I was 8 years ago. - ARRELL - 3/9/2008 9:58:46 AM
      - Question - TB - 3/9/2008 7:34:13 PM
- No - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 9:44:58 PM
- Flame is a better board. No politics on Community please (n/t) - Tony - 3/7/2008 6:15:29 PM
  - I meant to post on CE, NOT community- it should be moved (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 6:17:50 PM
- No, but it will be on the 21st of Jan, 2009 (n/t) - Fox - 3/7/2008 6:11:24 PM
  - I agree the the USA will be better on Jan 21st 2009 than it was on Jan 20th, 2009 - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 10:12:00 PM
  - NOPE... - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 8:43:33 PM

Yeah, but Saddam's gone. - Bowser - 3/10/2008 4:27:25 AM
- re: Yeah, but Saddam's gone. - gbaikie - 3/10/2008 10:45:54 AM

PM or PREZ? - ER - 3/2/2008 11:51:37 PM
- Fillon v Sarkozy - Raoul - 3/3/2008 6:33:20 AM
- Prime Minister vs. President - Eri - 3/3/2008 2:42:25 AM
  - re: Prime Minister vs. President - Jeff - 3/10/2008 12:01:03 AM
  - re: Prime Minister vs. President - Jeff - 3/10/2008 12:01:01 AM
  - Thanks, but - ER - 3/3/2008 3:04:12 AM
    - Everything you ever wanted to know and weren't afraid to ask... - Eri - 3/3/2008 3:54:20 AM
      - Aaaargh-a-licious (n/t) - ER - 3/3/2008 4:01:10 AM
        
        Hey, you asked! :-) (n/t) - Eri - 3/4/2008 3:36:29 AM

"quote from a textbook" moved to OT - Fox - 3/9/2008 12:48:35 PM
- Ahh, so long ago... - moore amenable? - 3/9/2008 2:06:48 PM
  - Interpretation, of course - Fox - 3/9/2008 11:59:20 PM

Looks like someone 'sprung forward' a bit too much - ARRELL - 3/9/2008 3:02:32 PM

"U.S., Iraq starting work on long-term treaty" - Bowser - 3/8/2008 5:45:27 AM
- re: "U.S., Iraq starting work on long-term treaty" - TB - 3/8/2008 6:21:37 AM
  - Muggers puts gun to head. Mugger wants to "negotiate" with you. Oh, what to do? - Bowser - 3/8/2008 5:39:31 PM
    - I could probably at least train a kiwi bird to juggle with its feet... (n/t) - TB - 3/8/2008 6:13:10 PM
      - I think I can make this understandable. Think "light bulbs". - Bowser - 3/8/2008 6:39:32 PM
        
        re: I think I can make this understandable. Think "light bulbs". - gbaikie - 3/8/2008 10:21:33 PM
        
        re: I think I can make this understandable. Think "light bulbs". - Hans - 3/9/2008 3:04:22 AM

Quick North Korea update - TB - 3/9/2008 1:02:42 AM
- re: Quick North Korea update - Hans - 3/9/2008 3:00:47 AM

Bush to Veto Waterboarding Bill - Eric - 3/8/2008 10:02:30 AM
- Not to put to fine a point on it but... - James Brown - 3/8/2008 9:07:33 PM
- re: Bush to Veto Waterboarding Bill - Eric - 3/8/2008 1:36:42 PM
  - Bush - "The United States does not torture terrorist suspects." - Bowser - 3/8/2008 5:11:53 PM

Wonderful research about "Peak Oil" - azstrummer - 3/7/2008 2:08:56 PM
- re: Wonderful research about "Peak Oil" - gbaikie - 3/7/2008 11:50:26 PM
  - re: Wonderful research about "Peak Oil" - gbaikie - 3/8/2008 12:19:06 AM
- More on the possible oil price bubble - TB - 3/7/2008 4:48:14 PM
  - One can understand a bubble - azstrummer - 3/7/2008 10:26:23 PM
- The Crude Truth - ER - 3/7/2008 3:57:18 PM
  - Abiotic oil? Sounds very reasonable the more you examine it... we need more study... - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 9:42:05 PM
    - The first time I read about this - azstrummer - 3/7/2008 10:21:43 PM
      - Well to be fair, its not just decaying dinosaurs... - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 10:30:04 PM
        
        Is there a geologist in the house? - ER - 3/7/2008 11:25:40 PM
        
        Praise ooze! - podrock - 3/8/2008 3:24:30 AM
        
        There are abiotic hydrocarbons? Can you expand on that a bit? - alcaray - 3/8/2008 4:52:48 AM
        
        Rumour has it, - podrock - 3/8/2008 5:22:59 AM
        
        And that's the bottom line - TB - 3/8/2008 6:12:01 PM
        
        re: Rumour has it, - alcaray - 3/8/2008 6:06:40 AM
        
        Before I get in too deep: - podrock - 3/8/2008 5:14:09 PM
    - re: Abiotic oil? Think GEOFART CH4 - ER - 3/7/2008 10:07:55 PM
      - I think it is very possible that there is more than one way to brew up crude oil. - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 10:16:20 PM
  - Crude Typo - ER - 3/7/2008 4:31:43 PM
  - Russia and Chine have Vast resouces......... - carl - 3/7/2008 4:04:16 PM
    - They have vast undeveloped markets for oil, too. (n/t) - alcaray - 3/7/2008 7:07:03 PM
      - Very true. - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 7:46:23 PM
    - Exactly how much is "vast"? - ER - 3/7/2008 4:35:17 PM

"Recreate 68!" - TB - 3/7/2008 6:11:52 AM
- BRING IT ON!!! - Lee - 3/7/2008 1:52:43 PM
  - Kind of an unfortunate thing to hope for. - alcaray - 3/8/2008 8:49:37 AM
  - Dan Rather PUNCHED AT 1968 DNC Convention - carl - 3/7/2008 4:02:17 PM

Education in California - TB - 3/6/2008 10:04:36 PM
- Wow. (n/t) - TB - 3/8/2008 6:13:21 AM
  - Oops. Try again. - TB - 3/8/2008 6:34:15 AM

Bank FAILURES in USA Future's? - carl - 3/5/2008 6:04:24 PM
- Nowhere near $100K, but... - ER - 3/5/2008 6:17:22 PM
  - Splitting stashes - McFly - 3/5/2008 7:10:13 PM
    - Yes. - TAFKASE - 3/6/2008 5:29:44 PM
      - High yield savings - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/6/2008 8:30:11 PM
        
        Melinda can't live on $350,000 a year. - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 7:51:20 PM
        
        Why do you think they created the Gates Foundation? - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/8/2008 12:07:36 AM
    - That's what I thought, too. - Eri - 3/6/2008 3:33:12 AM
    - re: Splitting stashes - Hans - 3/5/2008 11:52:28 PM
    - I guess that's why they have $100K+ and I don't. (n/t) - ER - 3/5/2008 7:42:20 PM

O-Ba-Ma - TB - 3/6/2008 10:39:57 PM
- It's marvelous - McFly - 3/7/2008 2:38:03 AM
  - Yes, - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 11:04:55 PM
    - With all that said, it is funny to deconstruct his speeches. (n/t) - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 11:05:38 PM
- A bit more - TB - 3/7/2008 2:07:43 AM
- Noun and possessive determiner genders do not agree. - ER - 3/7/2008 1:35:50 AM
  - They can take what they can, and see what they can do with it. - TB - 3/7/2008 1:49:02 AM
    - Manifest Destiny - ER - 3/7/2008 2:35:46 AM
      - I suppose it could have been different. - TB - 3/7/2008 2:57:43 AM
        
        I'm not talking ethnicity. - ER - 3/7/2008 3:24:59 AM
        
        re: I'm not talking ethnicity. - TB - 3/7/2008 4:18:34 AM
        
        re: I'm not talking ethnicity. - ER - 3/7/2008 4:42:49 AM
        
        I have great familiarity with "benign" socialism. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 5:47:54 AM
        
        Definitions - TB - 3/7/2008 5:29:04 AM
        
        Oh really? - ER - 3/7/2008 11:37:53 AM
        
        That's because compromise with you... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 3:31:03 AM
        
        It has a very simple answer: No. - ER - 3/7/2008 3:59:41 AM
        
        Again, the critical word is "voluntary." - TB - 3/7/2008 4:26:36 AM
        
        re: Again, the critical word is "voluntary." - ER - 3/7/2008 4:39:31 AM
        
        re: Again, the critical word is "voluntary." - TB - 3/7/2008 5:21:09 AM
        
        Perceptions? - ER - 3/7/2008 12:01:49 PM
        
        And now, a short rant on economics - TB - 3/7/2008 5:51:12 AM
        
        "It's not fair!" - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 6:04:14 AM
        
        re: "It's not fair!" - TB - 3/7/2008 4:05:40 PM
        
        Variation of the phrase... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 5:19:52 AM
        
        Careful now... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 3:19:49 AM
- Aw c'mon it's LOL funny. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 1:02:26 AM
- Personally, I found this a bit more disturbing- dont you? - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 12:28:23 AM
  - And, on a less musical note, how do you feel about this? - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 12:55:57 AM
    - Or this? - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 1:07:02 AM
      - re: Or this? - TB - 3/7/2008 1:47:09 AM
        
        They're not mindless idiots...they are actors and entertainers. - RobVG - 3/7/2008 4:29:44 AM
        
        McFly is the mindless idiot that they don't appeal to? - alcaray - 3/7/2008 5:06:39 AM
        
        No, I find them appealing... - McFly - 3/7/2008 3:15:50 PM
        
        I'm doing my best to dumb it down. (n/t) - alcaray - 3/7/2008 7:08:05 PM
        
        Oh gawd. (n/t) - RobVG - 3/7/2008 6:20:34 AM
        
        So You arent bothered by 'straight talk' McCain's blatant hypocricy- as shown by his own words - ARRELL - 3/7/2008 2:14:58 AM
        
        I was talking creepy - TB - 3/7/2008 2:42:20 AM
        
        Bet you... - alcaray - 3/7/2008 3:30:44 AM
        
        Unfortunately, no, I don't want to take that bet. - TB - 3/7/2008 4:15:19 AM
        
        "hit by a meteor" - Tony - 3/7/2008 4:11:10 PM
        
        "Democrats are nursing fantasies of Al Gore saving the party ..." - alcaray - 3/7/2008 5:04:31 AM
        
        That's a bad bet. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 3:35:23 AM
        
        "those who really work and generate wealth" - McFly - 3/7/2008 3:22:08 PM
        
        Every single working American... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/7/2008 9:42:07 PM
- Its really gonna suck crushing all those people's dreams. (n/t) - John McCain - 3/6/2008 11:14:39 PM
  - You're going to have to get in line. (n/t) - Hillary - 3/6/2008 11:20:15 PM

Why is this "news"? - Bowser - 3/7/2008 8:37:38 PM
- High oil price--> low $ ! - Raoul - 3/7/2008 10:37:50 PM
  - that is certainly part of the problem... - TAFKASE - 3/7/2008 10:55:55 PM
- Uhh, Maybe BUSH is Slow........... - carl - 3/7/2008 8:40:43 PM

Man on the street. - ER - 3/7/2008 2:52:15 AM
- Republicans want Hillary to be their opponent - azstrummer - 3/7/2008 2:11:38 PM
  - That's okay, Democrats wanted McCain to be theirs. - TB - 3/7/2008 4:09:09 PM
    - Don't forget... - ER - 3/7/2008 4:44:37 PM
      - True - TB - 3/7/2008 4:54:17 PM
  - The attacks on Obama from talk radio have begun - Tony - 3/7/2008 4:06:00 PM
    - Don't worry about talk radio. - ER - 3/7/2008 4:48:42 PM
      - You've never actually heard these people, have you? (n/t) - TB - 3/7/2008 4:55:02 PM
        
        I hear people just like them on this bulletin board every day. - ER - 3/7/2008 7:03:13 PM
    - My wife talked about a study she'd read - azstrummer - 3/7/2008 4:26:29 PM
      - Agreed, but... - ER - 3/7/2008 4:38:45 PM
        
        The unpleasant truth... - TB - 3/7/2008 5:00:45 PM
        
        I couldn't agree more - azstrummer - 3/7/2008 10:23:45 PM
        
        What are these vast powers that you speak of? - Yeti - 3/7/2008 6:42:47 PM
- Let the Clinton campaign pay for it, is my advice. (n/t) - alcaray - 3/7/2008 3:32:33 AM
  - My advice is let the DNC decision stand. (n/t) - ER - 3/7/2008 4:12:29 AM

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