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re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney)

gbaikie — 12/7/2007 3:02:50 AM (archived)

"Obviously, as an atheist, I have a bit of a hard time believing this GOP front runner's contention unless he means that non-believers will never be free from religious idiots meddling in their life. I might buy that."

Why? Don't you understand that atheism is just another religion- a religion that seems to want it to be the only State religion.

You can't rid a human of religion- look at all those mother Earth worshiper in the global warming movement. Do you imagine that nature worship is anything new?
Any isolated primitive tribe will have religion. What do you think all those big pictures of various dictators, such as Stalin or Saddam is all about? You think this is a new thing? I bet they did the same thing in Ancient Rome- where numerous rulers also wanted to be regarded as God and were regarded as such. Of course, we know they build huge statues of themselves.

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"Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - azstrummer - 12/6/2007 11:41:50 PM
- Does anyone here know what Mormons believe? - E.P. - 12/12/2007 10:36:10 PM
  - Romney unfit to oversee BIA, NPS? - E.P. - 12/14/2007 8:40:01 PM
  - In a nutshell... - alcaray - 12/13/2007 6:58:00 PM
    - re: In a nutshell... - azstrummer - 12/13/2007 11:04:03 PM
      - Seems odd... - TB - 12/14/2007 12:59:22 AM
        
        Who is the Democratic leader of the Senate? (n/t) - E.P. - 12/14/2007 8:43:29 PM
        
        Harry Reid (n/t) - TB - 12/14/2007 11:28:48 PM
        
        Who is the Democratic leader of the Senate? (n/t) - E.P. - 12/14/2007 8:43:18 PM
        
        C'mon now. - Bowser - 12/14/2007 2:12:24 AM
        
        Turn back the clock 65 years. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/14/2007 3:40:18 AM
        
        Okay, stretching a point out of shape now. - TB - 12/14/2007 5:37:31 AM
        
        Well... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/14/2007 9:56:56 AM
        
        Aw geez... - TB - 12/14/2007 8:29:19 PM
        
        Well for starters... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/14/2007 11:39:44 PM
        
        Please don't misconstrue what I said. - alcaray - 12/14/2007 1:24:10 AM
  - I think anyone who trekked across America - Tony - 12/13/2007 4:09:12 PM
    - re: I think anyone who trekked across America - SDG - 12/15/2007 11:56:30 PM
  - I'll tackle the second question - Robert - 12/13/2007 12:09:51 AM
    - I think this becomes noticable when you use a Vista machine. - alcaray - 12/13/2007 6:35:42 PM
      - re: I think this becomes noticable when you use a Vista machine. - Robert - 12/13/2007 7:14:25 PM
        
        The fix - TB - 12/14/2007 12:58:29 AM
        
        Cool - thanks, TB - works fo rme! (n/t) - Laurie Stret - 12/14/2007 1:03:23 AM
        
        Except it didn't... - Laurence Street - 12/14/2007 1:08:25 AM
        
        But now it does - LS - 12/14/2007 1:10:32 AM
        
        Oh, Lordy, don't touch the "default" buttons. - TB - 12/14/2007 5:34:53 AM
        
        re: I think this becomes noticable when you use a Vista machine. - Laurie Street - 12/13/2007 8:22:58 PM
  - As long as it has nothing to do with Jihad and killing non-believers... - TAFKASE - 12/12/2007 11:01:56 PM
- Has anyone seen "The Mist"? - Laurie Street - 12/10/2007 12:54:53 AM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - OK, regarding Romney: - Marcia - 12/8/2007 3:41:29 AM
  - Your mileage may vary - Robert - 12/8/2007 4:57:55 AM
    - "I will pursue a humble foreign policy." - Bowser - 12/9/2007 6:47:34 PM
      - Perhaps you're putting the cart before the horse - Robert - 12/9/2007 8:37:02 PM
        
        Litmus test. - Bowser - 12/9/2007 9:08:47 PM
        
        We agree - Robert - 12/9/2007 11:19:53 PM
  - re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - OK, regarding Romney: - Marcia - 12/8/2007 3:45:37 AM
- A classy outlook on it from Al Gore - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 5:26:47 PM
  - LOL - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:37:16 PM
    - SDAI's pretty much right about Gore. - TB - 12/7/2007 6:31:14 PM
      - Name one politician about whom that is NOT true! - Eri - 12/8/2007 1:38:58 AM
      - religion of convenience vs truly religious - SDG - 12/7/2007 6:50:09 PM
        
        I'm an agnostic rather than athiest, but I will give you my answer anyway. - alcaray - 12/8/2007 12:19:26 AM
        
        Depends on their religion. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 10:27:00 PM
        
        Scare - azstrummer - 12/8/2007 12:35:48 AM
        
        Sounds like Religious Fundamentalists of ANY kind! - Eri - 12/8/2007 1:42:42 AM
        
        re: Sounds like Religious Fundamentalists of ANY kind! - azstrummer - 12/8/2007 3:13:22 AM
        
        Exactly - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 9:25:05 PM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - SDG - 12/7/2007 5:01:38 PM
  - I just heard on Limbaughs show that the quote comes from a speech by John Adams. - TAKFASE - 12/7/2007 6:03:51 PM
    - Limbaugh? You might want to look that up yourself. - TB - 12/7/2007 6:46:48 PM
- Well then you are free not to vote for him. - TAFKASE - 12/7/2007 4:15:05 PM
  - Oppression - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 4:47:14 PM
    - no where in Romney's speech did he make any indication that he wants everyone to believe as he does. - TAFKASE - 12/7/2007 6:02:35 PM
      - Atheists, as a rule, would not run based on religion. - Mary Anne - 12/8/2007 1:07:18 PM
        
        re: Atheists, as a rule, would not run based on religion. - gbaikie - 12/9/2007 12:18:34 AM
        
        Who's running a campaign based on religion? - SDG - 12/8/2007 9:45:09 PM
        
        My post was an answer to TAFKASE. - Mary Anne - 12/9/2007 5:06:00 PM
        
        Thanks - SDG - 12/15/2007 11:53:14 PM
        
        In my case, an agnostic is simply someone who... - alcaray - 12/9/2007 8:53:52 AM
        
        Not religion, maybe, but there are other mythologies. - TB - 12/8/2007 5:56:03 PM
        
        Infinite regression - Robert - 12/8/2007 6:08:36 PM
        
        Hmm. Sounds kind of "binary" to me. - TB - 12/8/2007 6:59:19 PM
- Then we have Fred Thompson... - TB - 12/7/2007 8:13:13 AM
  - re: Then we have Fred Thompson... - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 1:53:55 PM
    - John Adams put it even more briefly... - TB - 12/7/2007 6:21:44 PM
- Wow...just bathing in the "tolerance" on this thread. (n/t) - TB - 12/7/2007 4:56:18 AM
  - re: "tolerance" - Fox - 12/8/2007 1:04:10 AM
  - re: Wow...just bathing in the "tolerance" on this thread. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:56:26 PM
  - I think this issue is Romney's tolerance. - alcaray - 12/7/2007 6:09:13 AM
- God I hate the "holier than thou" bullshit from religious freaks - Buck Galaxy - 12/7/2007 4:19:33 AM
  - Don't vote for him! PLEASE don't! - Eri - 12/8/2007 6:59:41 PM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - gbaikie - 12/7/2007 3:02:50 AM
  - Atheism is not a religion! - Raoul - 12/7/2007 5:06:21 PM
    - Raoul has a point. - TB - 12/7/2007 6:54:04 PM
      - re: Raoul has a point. - gbaikie - 12/7/2007 11:59:11 PM
        
        Negative proof - T - 12/8/2007 4:55:15 PM
        
        Sorry, that's me. - TB - 12/8/2007 4:56:00 PM
        
        If atheism is a religion, then "albino" is a suntan - Raoul - 12/8/2007 9:18:07 AM
        
        re: If atheism is a religion, then "albino" is a suntan - gbaikie - 12/8/2007 12:03:26 PM
        
        There is proof that most beliefs in a deity are false. - alcaray - 12/9/2007 9:47:56 AM
        
        re: There is proof that most beliefs in a deity are false. - gbaikie - 12/9/2007 7:45:33 PM
        
        God grief! - alcaray - 12/9/2007 9:26:30 PM
        
        Talk about yer undercooked pretzels! (n/t) - McFly - 12/8/2007 4:04:54 AM
  - "Atheism is a religion" - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 2:04:33 PM
    - re: "Atheism is a religion" - gbaikie - 12/8/2007 8:31:15 AM
    - re: "Atheism is a religion" - gbaikie - 12/8/2007 8:12:18 AM
      - The liberal courts? - Mary Anne - 12/9/2007 6:59:31 PM
        
        re: The liberal courts? - gbaikie - 12/9/2007 9:57:55 PM
- That statement basically if mumbo gumbo - Eri - 12/7/2007 1:57:20 AM
- God save me from Christianity - Fox - 12/7/2007 1:20:23 AM
  - I've never been overwhelmed by Hannukah specials - ds - 12/7/2007 1:34:06 AM
    - Bush was President for the Republicans - Eri - 12/7/2007 2:16:24 AM
      - Did you get your tax cut? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:28:24 PM
        
        Yeah, I got my crumbling bridges. - Mary Anne - 12/7/2007 8:13:54 PM
        
        Infrastructure like that is supposed to be a state expense. - TB - 12/7/2007 10:32:34 PM
        
        Please see my post to Tech, below, for remarks on the US Interstate Highway System. - Mary Anne - 12/7/2007 11:24:38 PM
        
        re: Yeah, I got my crumbling bridges. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 10:18:13 PM
        
        OK, listen: - Mary Anne - 12/7/2007 11:21:42 PM
        
        Are we just talking interstate highways then? - TB - 12/8/2007 5:14:35 AM
        
        Your adverb. - Mary Anne - 12/8/2007 12:38:01 PM
        
        Okay. Here's how it is on highways. - TB - 12/8/2007 5:47:12 PM
        
        Two things: - Mary Anne - 12/9/2007 4:33:21 PM
        
        Hey Mary Anne things may be looking up! - Jody - 12/11/2007 12:34:51 AM
        
        Except that I use I-80 and I-81 much more. - Mary Anne - 12/11/2007 1:28:29 PM
        
        I'm doing my share for the bridges then... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2007 10:43:38 PM
        
        ah the voice of reason - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 9:11:28 PM
        
        re: Did you get your tax cut? - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 5:34:43 PM
        
        VA funding - TB - 12/7/2007 6:58:16 PM
        
        Uhhh, Tom... - Robert - 12/8/2007 1:50:43 AM
        
        Statistics - TB - 12/8/2007 5:42:38 AM
        
        re: Did you get your tax cut? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:47:17 PM
        
        Privatize? You mean turn it over to HMOs??? - Robert - 12/8/2007 1:40:58 AM
        
        Privatize the VA? Are you insane? - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 6:10:25 PM
        
        Not all privatization is equal - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 7:01:31 PM
- Text of the speech - TB - 12/7/2007 12:37:54 AM
  - Eloquent divisiveness - Robert - 12/7/2007 4:15:56 AM
    - re: Eloquent divisiveness - TB - 12/7/2007 4:47:10 AM
      - T, T, T... - Robert - 12/7/2007 4:57:31 PM
        
        re: R, R, R... - TB - 12/7/2007 7:07:57 PM
        
        Or Robin Williams laughing - Robert - 12/8/2007 1:33:44 AM
        
        Look... - TB - 12/8/2007 5:45:25 AM
      - Interesting logic - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 2:10:31 PM
        
        Are you serious? - TB - 12/7/2007 7:23:19 PM
        
        re: Are you serious? - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 8:41:50 PM
        
        Are THEY serious??? - Jody - 12/11/2007 8:08:48 AM
        
        The choral arrangement is beautiful. - Mary Anne - 12/11/2007 1:36:59 PM
        
        "... teacher hit me with a ruler..." - Fox - 12/14/2007 3:22:57 AM
        
        For your reading enjoyment. - Lee - 12/10/2007 12:50:12 AM
        
        Hmmm - Lee - 12/10/2007 12:16:03 AM
        
        re: serious. - TB - 12/7/2007 11:04:38 PM
  - You trying to say CNN pissed on his speech? ;-) (n/t) - Eri - 12/7/2007 2:11:50 AM
- Playing to the base - Robert - 12/7/2007 12:30:36 AM
  - Heh... - TB - 12/7/2007 12:40:23 AM
    - Romney didn't mind hiring illegal aliens from a predominently Catholic nation - ds - 12/7/2007 1:16:54 AM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" - TB - 12/7/2007 12:12:05 AM
  - I think he was saying that freedom is a religion. - TAFKASE - 12/7/2007 4:19:42 PM
  - re: "Freedom requires openness to criticism - Raoul - 12/7/2007 6:36:15 AM
  - Is no one else bothered... - ds - 12/7/2007 1:36:17 AM
    - Oh, I am. (Let's all pretend to be surprised.) - Mary Anne - 12/8/2007 12:27:10 AM
    - Yes, I am - Fox - 12/7/2007 6:41:51 PM
    - Not really. - TB - 12/7/2007 3:52:37 AM
      - Whoa Tom. There you go again. - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 1:49:06 PM
        
        Way to go Art!! - Jody - 12/7/2007 2:28:29 PM
    - Let's hope you aren't! (n/t) - Eri - 12/7/2007 2:14:16 AM

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