re: "Freedom requires religion"

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re: "Freedom requires religion"

TB — 12/7/2007 12:12:05 AM (archived)

I don't agree with that statement in the philosophical sense. Nobody who quotes Ayn Rand as much as I do is likely to. Does that cost me my "winger" license?

The idea that religion requires freedom holds up pretty well--at least if you pick a religion that isn't approved by the State.

I have seen states firmly founded on a single lawful religion that are totalitarian hellholes. I have also seen states that were proudly atheist that were totalitarian hellholes.

I think there's more to it than just religion.

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"Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - azstrummer - 12/6/2007 11:41:50 PM
- Does anyone here know what Mormons believe? - E.P. - 12/12/2007 10:36:10 PM
  - Romney unfit to oversee BIA, NPS? - E.P. - 12/14/2007 8:40:01 PM
  - In a nutshell... - alcaray - 12/13/2007 6:58:00 PM
    - re: In a nutshell... - azstrummer - 12/13/2007 11:04:03 PM
      - Seems odd... - TB - 12/14/2007 12:59:22 AM
        
        Who is the Democratic leader of the Senate? (n/t) - E.P. - 12/14/2007 8:43:29 PM
        
        Harry Reid (n/t) - TB - 12/14/2007 11:28:48 PM
        
        Who is the Democratic leader of the Senate? (n/t) - E.P. - 12/14/2007 8:43:18 PM
        
        C'mon now. - Bowser - 12/14/2007 2:12:24 AM
        
        Turn back the clock 65 years. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/14/2007 3:40:18 AM
        
        Okay, stretching a point out of shape now. - TB - 12/14/2007 5:37:31 AM
        
        Well... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/14/2007 9:56:56 AM
        
        Aw geez... - TB - 12/14/2007 8:29:19 PM
        
        Well for starters... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/14/2007 11:39:44 PM
        
        Please don't misconstrue what I said. - alcaray - 12/14/2007 1:24:10 AM
  - I think anyone who trekked across America - Tony - 12/13/2007 4:09:12 PM
    - re: I think anyone who trekked across America - SDG - 12/15/2007 11:56:30 PM
  - I'll tackle the second question - Robert - 12/13/2007 12:09:51 AM
    - I think this becomes noticable when you use a Vista machine. - alcaray - 12/13/2007 6:35:42 PM
      - re: I think this becomes noticable when you use a Vista machine. - Robert - 12/13/2007 7:14:25 PM
        
        The fix - TB - 12/14/2007 12:58:29 AM
        
        Cool - thanks, TB - works fo rme! (n/t) - Laurie Stret - 12/14/2007 1:03:23 AM
        
        Except it didn't... - Laurence Street - 12/14/2007 1:08:25 AM
        
        But now it does - LS - 12/14/2007 1:10:32 AM
        
        Oh, Lordy, don't touch the "default" buttons. - TB - 12/14/2007 5:34:53 AM
        
        re: I think this becomes noticable when you use a Vista machine. - Laurie Street - 12/13/2007 8:22:58 PM
  - As long as it has nothing to do with Jihad and killing non-believers... - TAFKASE - 12/12/2007 11:01:56 PM
- Has anyone seen "The Mist"? - Laurie Street - 12/10/2007 12:54:53 AM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - OK, regarding Romney: - Marcia - 12/8/2007 3:41:29 AM
  - Your mileage may vary - Robert - 12/8/2007 4:57:55 AM
    - "I will pursue a humble foreign policy." - Bowser - 12/9/2007 6:47:34 PM
      - Perhaps you're putting the cart before the horse - Robert - 12/9/2007 8:37:02 PM
        
        Litmus test. - Bowser - 12/9/2007 9:08:47 PM
        
        We agree - Robert - 12/9/2007 11:19:53 PM
  - re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - OK, regarding Romney: - Marcia - 12/8/2007 3:45:37 AM
- A classy outlook on it from Al Gore - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 5:26:47 PM
  - LOL - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:37:16 PM
    - SDAI's pretty much right about Gore. - TB - 12/7/2007 6:31:14 PM
      - Name one politician about whom that is NOT true! - Eri - 12/8/2007 1:38:58 AM
      - religion of convenience vs truly religious - SDG - 12/7/2007 6:50:09 PM
        
        I'm an agnostic rather than athiest, but I will give you my answer anyway. - alcaray - 12/8/2007 12:19:26 AM
        
        Depends on their religion. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 10:27:00 PM
        
        Scare - azstrummer - 12/8/2007 12:35:48 AM
        
        Sounds like Religious Fundamentalists of ANY kind! - Eri - 12/8/2007 1:42:42 AM
        
        re: Sounds like Religious Fundamentalists of ANY kind! - azstrummer - 12/8/2007 3:13:22 AM
        
        Exactly - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 9:25:05 PM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - SDG - 12/7/2007 5:01:38 PM
  - I just heard on Limbaughs show that the quote comes from a speech by John Adams. - TAKFASE - 12/7/2007 6:03:51 PM
    - Limbaugh? You might want to look that up yourself. - TB - 12/7/2007 6:46:48 PM
- Well then you are free not to vote for him. - TAFKASE - 12/7/2007 4:15:05 PM
  - Oppression - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 4:47:14 PM
    - no where in Romney's speech did he make any indication that he wants everyone to believe as he does. - TAFKASE - 12/7/2007 6:02:35 PM
      - Atheists, as a rule, would not run based on religion. - Mary Anne - 12/8/2007 1:07:18 PM
        
        re: Atheists, as a rule, would not run based on religion. - gbaikie - 12/9/2007 12:18:34 AM
        
        Who's running a campaign based on religion? - SDG - 12/8/2007 9:45:09 PM
        
        My post was an answer to TAFKASE. - Mary Anne - 12/9/2007 5:06:00 PM
        
        Thanks - SDG - 12/15/2007 11:53:14 PM
        
        In my case, an agnostic is simply someone who... - alcaray - 12/9/2007 8:53:52 AM
        
        Not religion, maybe, but there are other mythologies. - TB - 12/8/2007 5:56:03 PM
        
        Infinite regression - Robert - 12/8/2007 6:08:36 PM
        
        Hmm. Sounds kind of "binary" to me. - TB - 12/8/2007 6:59:19 PM
- Then we have Fred Thompson... - TB - 12/7/2007 8:13:13 AM
  - re: Then we have Fred Thompson... - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 1:53:55 PM
    - John Adams put it even more briefly... - TB - 12/7/2007 6:21:44 PM
- Wow...just bathing in the "tolerance" on this thread. (n/t) - TB - 12/7/2007 4:56:18 AM
  - re: "tolerance" - Fox - 12/8/2007 1:04:10 AM
  - re: Wow...just bathing in the "tolerance" on this thread. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:56:26 PM
  - I think this issue is Romney's tolerance. - alcaray - 12/7/2007 6:09:13 AM
- God I hate the "holier than thou" bullshit from religious freaks - Buck Galaxy - 12/7/2007 4:19:33 AM
  - Don't vote for him! PLEASE don't! - Eri - 12/8/2007 6:59:41 PM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" (Mitt Romney) - gbaikie - 12/7/2007 3:02:50 AM
  - Atheism is not a religion! - Raoul - 12/7/2007 5:06:21 PM
    - Raoul has a point. - TB - 12/7/2007 6:54:04 PM
      - re: Raoul has a point. - gbaikie - 12/7/2007 11:59:11 PM
        
        Negative proof - T - 12/8/2007 4:55:15 PM
        
        Sorry, that's me. - TB - 12/8/2007 4:56:00 PM
        
        If atheism is a religion, then "albino" is a suntan - Raoul - 12/8/2007 9:18:07 AM
        
        re: If atheism is a religion, then "albino" is a suntan - gbaikie - 12/8/2007 12:03:26 PM
        
        There is proof that most beliefs in a deity are false. - alcaray - 12/9/2007 9:47:56 AM
        
        re: There is proof that most beliefs in a deity are false. - gbaikie - 12/9/2007 7:45:33 PM
        
        God grief! - alcaray - 12/9/2007 9:26:30 PM
        
        Talk about yer undercooked pretzels! (n/t) - McFly - 12/8/2007 4:04:54 AM
  - "Atheism is a religion" - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 2:04:33 PM
    - re: "Atheism is a religion" - gbaikie - 12/8/2007 8:31:15 AM
    - re: "Atheism is a religion" - gbaikie - 12/8/2007 8:12:18 AM
      - The liberal courts? - Mary Anne - 12/9/2007 6:59:31 PM
        
        re: The liberal courts? - gbaikie - 12/9/2007 9:57:55 PM
- That statement basically if mumbo gumbo - Eri - 12/7/2007 1:57:20 AM
- God save me from Christianity - Fox - 12/7/2007 1:20:23 AM
  - I've never been overwhelmed by Hannukah specials - ds - 12/7/2007 1:34:06 AM
    - Bush was President for the Republicans - Eri - 12/7/2007 2:16:24 AM
      - Did you get your tax cut? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:28:24 PM
        
        Yeah, I got my crumbling bridges. - Mary Anne - 12/7/2007 8:13:54 PM
        
        Infrastructure like that is supposed to be a state expense. - TB - 12/7/2007 10:32:34 PM
        
        Please see my post to Tech, below, for remarks on the US Interstate Highway System. - Mary Anne - 12/7/2007 11:24:38 PM
        
        re: Yeah, I got my crumbling bridges. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 10:18:13 PM
        
        OK, listen: - Mary Anne - 12/7/2007 11:21:42 PM
        
        Are we just talking interstate highways then? - TB - 12/8/2007 5:14:35 AM
        
        Your adverb. - Mary Anne - 12/8/2007 12:38:01 PM
        
        Okay. Here's how it is on highways. - TB - 12/8/2007 5:47:12 PM
        
        Two things: - Mary Anne - 12/9/2007 4:33:21 PM
        
        Hey Mary Anne things may be looking up! - Jody - 12/11/2007 12:34:51 AM
        
        Except that I use I-80 and I-81 much more. - Mary Anne - 12/11/2007 1:28:29 PM
        
        I'm doing my share for the bridges then... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2007 10:43:38 PM
        
        ah the voice of reason - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 9:11:28 PM
        
        re: Did you get your tax cut? - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 5:34:43 PM
        
        VA funding - TB - 12/7/2007 6:58:16 PM
        
        Uhhh, Tom... - Robert - 12/8/2007 1:50:43 AM
        
        Statistics - TB - 12/8/2007 5:42:38 AM
        
        re: Did you get your tax cut? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 5:47:17 PM
        
        Privatize? You mean turn it over to HMOs??? - Robert - 12/8/2007 1:40:58 AM
        
        Privatize the VA? Are you insane? - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 6:10:25 PM
        
        Not all privatization is equal - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2007 7:01:31 PM
- Text of the speech - TB - 12/7/2007 12:37:54 AM
  - Eloquent divisiveness - Robert - 12/7/2007 4:15:56 AM
    - re: Eloquent divisiveness - TB - 12/7/2007 4:47:10 AM
      - T, T, T... - Robert - 12/7/2007 4:57:31 PM
        
        re: R, R, R... - TB - 12/7/2007 7:07:57 PM
        
        Or Robin Williams laughing - Robert - 12/8/2007 1:33:44 AM
        
        Look... - TB - 12/8/2007 5:45:25 AM
      - Interesting logic - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 2:10:31 PM
        
        Are you serious? - TB - 12/7/2007 7:23:19 PM
        
        re: Are you serious? - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 8:41:50 PM
        
        Are THEY serious??? - Jody - 12/11/2007 8:08:48 AM
        
        The choral arrangement is beautiful. - Mary Anne - 12/11/2007 1:36:59 PM
        
        "... teacher hit me with a ruler..." - Fox - 12/14/2007 3:22:57 AM
        
        For your reading enjoyment. - Lee - 12/10/2007 12:50:12 AM
        
        Hmmm - Lee - 12/10/2007 12:16:03 AM
        
        re: serious. - TB - 12/7/2007 11:04:38 PM
  - You trying to say CNN pissed on his speech? ;-) (n/t) - Eri - 12/7/2007 2:11:50 AM
- Playing to the base - Robert - 12/7/2007 12:30:36 AM
  - Heh... - TB - 12/7/2007 12:40:23 AM
    - Romney didn't mind hiring illegal aliens from a predominently Catholic nation - ds - 12/7/2007 1:16:54 AM
- re: "Freedom requires religion" - TB - 12/7/2007 12:12:05 AM
  - I think he was saying that freedom is a religion. - TAFKASE - 12/7/2007 4:19:42 PM
  - re: "Freedom requires openness to criticism - Raoul - 12/7/2007 6:36:15 AM
  - Is no one else bothered... - ds - 12/7/2007 1:36:17 AM
    - Oh, I am. (Let's all pretend to be surprised.) - Mary Anne - 12/8/2007 12:27:10 AM
    - Yes, I am - Fox - 12/7/2007 6:41:51 PM
    - Not really. - TB - 12/7/2007 3:52:37 AM
      - Whoa Tom. There you go again. - azstrummer - 12/7/2007 1:49:06 PM
        
        Way to go Art!! - Jody - 12/7/2007 2:28:29 PM
    - Let's hope you aren't! (n/t) - Eri - 12/7/2007 2:14:16 AM

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