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Corps of Engineers update - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2005 11:39:59 PM

New Orleans flood map - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2005 5:36:52 AM
- Interesting and puzzling - FrankC - 9/15/2005 10:06:11 PM
- Thanks Tom... - Nick Hoffman - 9/15/2005 11:43:52 AM

Heroic efforts by the ASPCA in the Gulf - McFly - 9/15/2005 12:01:22 AM
- Pennsylvania's Office of Emergency Planning has taken several lessons from Katrina. - Mary Anne - 9/15/2005 5:26:42 PM

Response on responsibility to Mary Anne - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 4:27:26 PM
- I appreciate the time you took, and it is very informative. - Mary Anne - 9/14/2005 2:02:01 AM
- P.S. - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 4:29:54 PM
  - Now that Bush accepted the "Buck" where is the left's thank you's? - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 6:43:05 PM
    - Thank you? Their response is to target Chertoff. - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2005 6:15:59 PM
      - for someone who doesnt believe in conspiracy theories - Tony - 9/15/2005 5:22:59 PM
      - The reality: a great city is underwater, hundreds of people are dead, - Mary Anne - 9/14/2005 7:22:43 PM
        
        I blame the bagholders who built homes below sea level. - Scott Evil - 9/14/2005 8:49:56 PM
        
        287 years worth? - Fox - 9/14/2005 11:56:17 PM
        
        re: 287 years worth? - Mark Eby - 9/15/2005 1:47:50 AM
        
        Interesting... - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2005 12:48:02 AM
        
        Not impossible... - Mary Anne - 9/15/2005 12:23:33 PM
        
        Too, we have changed the way the river works... - alcaray - 9/15/2005 3:31:20 PM
        
        re: the way the river works... - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2005 4:59:41 PM
        
        Tell it to the Dutch. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/14/2005 9:13:03 PM
    - Where are the right's thank-yous? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/14/2005 4:40:04 PM
      - Oops, I forgot the obligatory crickets reference. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/15/2005 3:32:30 PM
    - "Thank yous" for accepting responsibility for a tragedy? - Buck Galaxy - 9/14/2005 3:13:01 PM
    - No thank yous. But an "it's about time". - Mary Anne - 9/14/2005 1:57:28 AM
    - Three cheers! - Tony - 9/13/2005 7:25:30 PM

Hurricane Chronology - R.L. - 9/12/2005 7:56:29 PM
- God, what's the point? - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 8:09:28 PM
  - One of the many points... - R.L. - 9/12/2005 8:34:23 PM
    - I really wish the thing had just hit New Orleans square on like it was originally predicted. - Scott Evil - 9/12/2005 10:31:15 PM
      - Such compassion! (n/t) - DL - 9/13/2005 5:36:15 PM
        
        Thank you for recognizing my compassionate side. - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 7:04:39 PM
        
        The "What Will You Kiss" Test for Receiving Help. (c) Scott Evil, 2005 - Mary Anne - 9/14/2005 12:18:23 PM
        
        Scott's rant should be moved to Flame? - Lindy - 9/14/2005 5:10:49 PM
        
        Cry me a river Lindy - Scott Evil - 9/14/2005 8:53:16 PM
        
        Re: "I'm the essence of pollitical correctness." - Lindy - 9/15/2005 7:15:53 AM

the Supreme Court hearings are going very well - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 2:29:29 PM
- Not sure where Reuters is coming from - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 6:40:05 PM
  - Surely, it's just another mistake by the unbiased media! - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 6:53:41 PM
    - To be fair... - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 7:33:49 PM
      - On the other hand... - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2005 12:44:32 AM
- Senators mostly there to listen to themselves. - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 4:35:20 PM
  - Guess he couldn't get any good sound-bites out of the hearing itself... - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 8:04:30 PM
- In what way, outwitted? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/13/2005 2:47:56 PM
  - The Democrats are not going to be able to kill his nomination. - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 3:26:51 PM
    - re: The Democrats are not going to be able to kill his nomination. - alcaray - 9/13/2005 4:19:11 PM
      - Good. - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 6:51:31 PM
        
        The hearings are on right now, and I strongly recommend you listen - alcaray - 9/13/2005 7:56:01 PM

How Bush Blew It - Donald - 9/12/2005 1:49:21 PM
- re: How Bush Blew It - Robert - 9/12/2005 11:03:48 PM
- How the Press and the Left continues to blow it - Larry J - 9/12/2005 5:49:11 PM
  - Water - Mary Anne - 9/13/2005 2:21:03 AM
    - re: Water - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 5:11:34 AM
      - Not him personally. - Mary Anne - 9/13/2005 11:52:28 AM
        
        See "Response on Responsibility" above. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 4:21:44 PM
  - re: blowing it - Fox - 9/13/2005 12:02:51 AM
    - Moving the relief supplies into the area ahead of time would've gotten them destroyed - Larry J - 9/14/2005 8:00:40 PM
    - 100 years of data on the effects of hurricanes can do nothing to prevent the effects of huricanes. - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 2:40:10 PM
      - Strategy - Fox - 9/13/2005 4:10:19 PM
        
        So you are saying that our response time hasn't improved in over 100 years? - Scott Evil - 9/13/2005 7:52:54 PM
        
        No - Fox - 9/13/2005 9:51:25 PM
    - mobilization dates and times - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 1:29:17 AM
      - Walmart Beat The Feds In Places - Mark Eby - 9/13/2005 2:10:29 AM
  - *Warning* - FrankC (moderator) - 9/12/2005 8:50:15 PM
  - Move this crap to flame. - DL - 9/12/2005 5:53:04 PM
    - Have you been to the affected region? - Larry J - 9/12/2005 5:59:26 PM
      - No, and that is not what this is about - DL - 9/12/2005 6:05:40 PM
        
        re: No, and that is not what this is about - Larry J - 9/12/2005 8:52:15 PM
        
        And what about the people whose only concern is preventing *any* blame from landing on 'their guy(s)', even before its clear that its not deserved? Do they 'suck' too (n/t) - DL - 9/12/2005 10:43:20 PM
        
        "...even before its clear that its not deserved?" - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 12:19:00 AM
        
        Case in point.... (n/t) - DL - 9/13/2005 11:59:32 AM
- What's really a national disgrace... - Lindy - 9/12/2005 3:53:22 PM
  - Movie won't load the way I put it up - Lindy - 9/12/2005 4:21:59 PM
- Meanwhile: 426 and rising - Donald - 9/12/2005 1:52:52 PM
  - I thought it was 10,000? - Scott Evil - 9/12/2005 2:00:48 PM
    - Oh, you noticed that? - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 4:25:30 PM
      - Speaking of hyperbole: never saw anything like that headline (n/t) - alcaray - 9/12/2005 7:16:06 PM
    - I don't think anyone knows the final count - Donald - 9/12/2005 2:22:22 PM
      - Even if it is 1,000,000 homeless (any links?) - Scott Evil - 9/12/2005 2:31:51 PM

Chertof is next - Donald - 9/14/2005 12:59:54 PM
- Getting a bit cocky, are they? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2005 5:45:12 PM

Bush-Talabani press conference - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2005 6:05:19 AM

Bush takes responsibility for Federal response to Katrina Disaster - Lindy - 9/13/2005 8:58:45 PM
- Everyone knows it was botched, except for - - - - Bowser - 9/14/2005 5:55:09 AM

Circle your wagons, boys! - Eri - 9/14/2005 2:28:27 AM
- Sorry. Better link. - Eri - 9/14/2005 2:32:40 AM
  - Molly Ivans Rocks - Lindy - 9/14/2005 3:31:14 AM

Religion of peace and love update - R.L. - 9/12/2005 11:02:04 PM
- re: Religion of peace and love update - LJK - 9/13/2005 2:54:25 PM
- What a dunghead! Hurricanes are not cause by God, - David F Mayer - 9/13/2005 12:07:40 AM
  - re: What a dunghead! Hurricanes are not cause by God, - Doug Ellison - 9/13/2005 1:32:54 PM
    - "The Man Who Sued God" must have won. - David F Mayer - 9/13/2005 2:41:10 PM
  - I presume you meant the Rev. Shanks... - Fox - 9/13/2005 12:25:20 AM
    - What a sick group... - R.L. - 9/13/2005 3:40:04 AM
      - And yet... - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 4:53:03 AM
        
        Yes Tom.... - R.L. - 9/13/2005 8:00:54 AM
        
        re: Yes - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 3:33:15 PM
        
        The only message I intended... - R.L. - 9/13/2005 6:32:23 PM

But the president... went to bed - R.L. - 9/12/2005 8:12:01 PM
- A contingent of the 82nd Airborne had, in fact, been deployed that Saturday morning - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 9:38:34 PM
  - "the buck stops here" - Robert - 9/12/2005 10:02:24 PM
    - re: "the buck stops here" - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 11:17:06 PM
    - re: "the buck stops here" - Scott Evil - 9/12/2005 10:42:21 PM
      - I wouldn't think you'd have the nerve to use the expression "tax and spend liberals"... - Mary Anne - 9/13/2005 1:29:02 AM
        
        Doesn't Look Like The Democratic Locals In NO Spent Much On Preparation Or Prevention - Mark Eby - 9/13/2005 1:40:40 AM
        
        Don't suppose you noticed Scott's slam? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/13/2005 2:51:45 PM
        
        True. - Mary Anne - 9/13/2005 2:32:36 AM
      - Read that as "for that bunch of ungrateful Democrats!" (n/t) - Eri - 9/13/2005 12:11:34 AM

Does anybody here know where I can look up attack statistics by month on attacks in Iraq? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 9/12/2005 12:49:22 PM
- Brookings Institution Iraq Index - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 6:33:59 PM
  - Thanks to you, too. (n/t) - DFM - 9/13/2005 12:47:09 PM
- Site: Iraq Coalition Casualty Count - Alan G. Archer - 9/12/2005 2:17:01 PM
  - Thanks (n/t) - DFM - 9/12/2005 2:39:14 PM

UK bomb suspect loses appeal; to be extradited from Italy - David F Mayer - 9/13/2005 12:44:58 PM

Aviation Week reports on Katrina response - Tom Brosz - 9/13/2005 5:05:23 AM

Katrina: Advance Men in Charge - Donald - 9/10/2005 4:41:19 AM
- Sorry, Donald. I'm not seeing any verbs, here. - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 3:48:22 PM
  - Lets see people are homeless and dying are you're worried about grammar?!? - Donald - 9/10/2005 4:28:38 PM
    - Save it for the rubes. - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 4:41:09 PM
- Did he really play golf? - Alan G. Archer - 9/10/2005 9:59:55 AM
  - Yes - Donald - 9/10/2005 2:29:18 PM
    - re: Yes - Alan G. Archer - 9/11/2005 1:16:46 AM
      - Careful - Sam F. - 9/11/2005 5:56:28 AM
        
        re: Careful - Alan G. Archer - 9/11/2005 8:57:54 AM
        
        Yes - Sam F. - 9/11/2005 12:29:55 PM
        
        Do you believe in magic? - Alan G. Archer - 9/11/2005 5:05:49 PM
        
        I do now - Sam F. - 9/12/2005 5:35:26 AM
        
        Cut Donald a bit of slack... - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 6:41:14 AM
        
        No, Bush didn't "play golf." - Tom Brosz - 9/11/2005 8:14:15 PM
        
        What about San Diego? - Alan G. Archer - 9/12/2005 1:44:31 AM
        
        You don't play golf when it's 108 degrees outside. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/11/2005 10:09:06 PM
        
        Yes, but San Diego's weather was mild - Alan G. Archer - 9/12/2005 1:45:04 AM
        
        I don't care if he played golf. - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 2:52:14 AM
        
        "Fake, but accurate" has been done before. - Sam F. - 9/12/2005 6:03:49 AM
        
        I don't think he was playing golf, but I don't think it matters. - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 1:22:43 PM
        
        We're not children, Mary Anne. - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 4:30:58 AM
        
        Also: Check out "This American Life" this week. - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 1:43:24 PM
        
        Maybe the link will work this time. - Mary Anne - 9/13/2005 12:54:12 AM
        
        In that case, he can phone in his inspections. - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 1:20:18 PM
        
        Playing the game - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 6:52:34 PM
        
        Lack of leadership is not sopposed to be praiseworthy in a President. - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 7:16:54 PM
        
        re: Leadership - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 7:38:36 PM
        
        That is not what I said. - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 9:18:27 PM
        
        That's childlike though. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/12/2005 10:48:02 PM
        
        Then so was appearing at Ground Zero. - Mary Anne - 9/13/2005 12:26:39 AM
        
        supposed. jeeeez (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 7:21:00 PM
        
        Do some legwork on your own. - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 2:48:15 AM
        
        Bush not speaking with reporters in San Diego on Aug. 29 - Alan G. Archer - 9/12/2005 4:07:45 AM
        
        If it was media-free, who the hell would know he played golf? - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 4:12:01 AM
        
        Bloggers? - Alan G. Archer - 9/12/2005 6:32:59 AM
        
        Background: Bush and golf story from the Washington Post in 2002 - Alan G. Archer - 9/12/2005 3:01:17 PM
- Arabian Horses - Lindy - 9/10/2005 5:24:07 AM
- Again, noise. - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 4:49:10 AM
  - Seriously Tom......... - Lindy - 9/10/2005 5:08:53 AM
  - Huh?!? - Donald - 9/10/2005 5:03:59 AM
    - Oh C'mon Don - Todd - 9/10/2005 12:58:50 PM
      - The way it works - Donald - 9/10/2005 2:10:02 PM
    - noise signifying nothing - FrankC - 9/10/2005 7:47:19 AM
      - re: noise signifying nothing - Donald - 9/10/2005 2:48:28 PM
        
        And there you have it. The first accurate post. - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 3:39:19 PM
        
        You miss the point as usual - Donald - 9/10/2005 3:45:09 PM
        
        To drive the point home - Donald - 9/10/2005 2:54:37 PM
        
        That's the point, all right. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 3:40:32 PM

Brown has officially resigned. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 7:04:13 PM
- Official statement - Robert - 9/12/2005 10:14:43 PM
  - Sacraficial Lamb. - Scott Evil - 9/12/2005 10:52:43 PM
- Maybe they will get the head of the American Kennel Club to replace him... (n/t) - R.L. - 9/12/2005 8:16:12 PM
  - FEMA should be more than just a dog and pony show....snark. (n/t) - et - 9/12/2005 9:19:27 PM
    - re: What government agency isn't a dog and pony show? - Scott Evil - 9/12/2005 10:55:56 PM
      - TouchÃ©! (n/t) - DFM - 9/13/2005 12:09:50 AM
      - Well, FEMA in the good old days. - alcaray - 9/12/2005 11:16:41 PM
- what a shock... (n/t) - R.L. - 9/12/2005 7:13:38 PM

This is amusing. They [FEAM/Administration] are doing nothing wrong- but they just pulled Mr. Browns card and are flying him back to washington (n/t) - DL - 9/9/2005 5:39:45 PM
- I sure do miss the FEMA that ... - jms - 9/10/2005 4:53:07 PM
  - That was when Reagan was in office. - Tom Brosz - 9/11/2005 8:49:05 PM
    - Odd... - R.L. - 9/12/2005 8:19:19 PM
- Not unexpected - Donald - 9/10/2005 1:51:12 AM
- Hey, be fair to the guy!! Cut a fellow okie some slack! Help me, Tom! - R.L. - 9/9/2005 6:17:47 PM
  - Simple Question - Mark Eby - 9/11/2005 8:12:49 PM
    - Typically pointless question... - R.L. - 9/12/2005 12:53:37 PM
      - Yes I Know - Mark Eby - 9/12/2005 11:57:17 PM
  - Go for it. - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2005 6:26:06 PM
    - What facts would those be? - Robert - 9/9/2005 7:16:16 PM
    - "Wait for the facts to come out." - R.L. - 9/9/2005 6:45:48 PM
      - (chirping crickets) (n/t) - R.L. - 9/9/2005 7:28:32 PM
      - I guess I have to link to this yet again... - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2005 7:25:08 PM
        
        Tom is right........ - Publius - 9/9/2005 9:14:38 PM
        
        AGAIN: Do you think Brown was in any way qualified? - R.L. - 9/9/2005 7:34:39 PM
        
        Hey......... - Publius - 9/9/2005 9:19:21 PM
        
        To do what? - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2005 7:47:51 PM
        
        You haven't a clue... - Donald - 9/10/2005 3:02:35 AM
        
        But we aren't talking about "planning and preparing," are we? - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 4:46:46 AM
        
        Good grief - Donald - 9/10/2005 5:12:04 AM
        
        There, there, let me help. - Sam F. - 9/10/2005 10:56:59 AM
        
        re: There, there, let me help. - Donald - 9/10/2005 3:06:57 PM
        
        Now you're slipping. - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2005 3:50:36 PM
        
        To do ANYTHING in this situation... - R.L. - 9/9/2005 9:02:51 PM
        
        Now, if Bush would just fire Norman Mineta... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2005 7:52:16 PM
        
        re: AGAIN: Do you think Brown was in any way qualified? - R.L. - 9/9/2005 7:36:06 PM
- Chertoff's news conference - Robert - 9/9/2005 6:13:53 PM
  - Seems like the director of FEMA is more concerned with covering his own ass - R.L. - 9/9/2005 6:19:25 PM
  - oops--hey Frank - Robert - 9/9/2005 6:18:39 PM
    - Why would this be moved to flame... - R.L. - 9/9/2005 6:21:23 PM
      - re: Why would this be moved to flame... - Robert - 9/9/2005 6:44:07 PM
        
        No, that was me- I posted on flame before I saw the 'okay, we allow this on CE' post- so I duplicate-posted (n/t) - DL - 9/9/2005 6:51:13 PM
        
        Thought that might be the case (n/t) - Robert - 9/9/2005 7:17:30 PM

MSNBC Commentary - Eric - 9/12/2005 2:21:37 PM
- Excellent, overdue & well-earned by the Administration - Eri - 9/12/2005 11:55:46 PM
- Do you want milk with those frosted flakes? - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/12/2005 11:47:51 PM
- Just flew in - ebnelson - 9/12/2005 6:56:04 PM
- Brilliant - Fox - 9/12/2005 4:29:24 PM
- excellent (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 9/12/2005 3:51:13 PM
- A truly outstanding... - Donald - 9/12/2005 2:28:01 PM

Critique of Katrina planning and execution by disaster relief pros - ebnelson - 9/12/2005 8:07:59 PM

Latest from Mosul - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 8:03:36 PM

And now it begins in Gaza... - Tom Brosz - 9/12/2005 7:48:43 PM

Librarians' Index to the Internet (lii.org) Katrina links - Mary Anne - 9/12/2005 7:05:48 PM

Infamous Blackwater Mercenaries Deploy in New Orleans - Eric - 9/11/2005 7:00:55 PM
- They are not mercenaries - ebnelson - 9/12/2005 6:57:24 PM
- What I'd like to know is... - Eri - 9/12/2005 2:31:45 AM

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