Thank you for bringing this up.
Have you, or anyone, seen a poster here list information that would be useful in a concrete way (aid and comfort) to terrorists? Do you have any reason to suspect that encription is being used in messages here to set up or facilitate future terrorist activities under our noses, or to cover up past terrorist activities to hinder our law enforcement personnel from apprehending the terrorists?
Or is the putative treason merely the expression of a political opinion that doesn't happen to agree with the actions or declarations put forward by the current administration, its friends, or its allies?
The former is treason. The latter is dissent.
The attempt to frame political dissent, which is free speech (at least for now) in the United States, as treason (cf. Ann Coulter et al) has been so successful that people don't know the difference anymore. To use the dictionary definition to support such an argument is to use a definition that will do for literary and historical works, that is, to explain why French kings could throw people into the Bastille for criticizing their policies, or to explain why Henry VIII had Thomas More beheaded for More's exercise of the right not to agree with his king. This kind of thing is not treason in modern America, which is where the accusation is levelled. Treason in America is defined by the Constitution. Our Founders had examples like the ones I have provided in mind when that definition was framed.
The charge of treason is used quite deliberately to squash dissent. It has always been so. (See the examples above.) This has been very skillfully manipulated by the Right recently to do just that. Pardon me while I don't put up with that anymore. Words mean things, especially legal words. I insist on precision.
You state that the free speech of people who claim treason against others is attacked when someone takes exception to the accusation. Nonsense. The accuser's free speech must be fragile indeed if he can accuse someone of a crime but be crushed when someone else tells him he doesn't know what he's talking about so cut it out.
Also, not to put too fine a point on it, this particular charge has been levelled about people posting here. There must be evidence. Find some. Then we can discuss the difference between dissent and treason using actual examples.
Of course, if no evidence can be presented, then we all know how much the charge of treason is really worth. It takes a capital crime and turns it into a cheap propaganda tool.
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Criticism of Bush's war policy = treason
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- JFC can't we just get along....
- Apparently not (n/t)
- The thread is now locked
- Thank you.
- Uh Frank This Is Flame
- Uh Mark
- Wow The Liberals Took A Poll And Voted Against The Conservative Position
- Point by point
- MA Wins Again
- re: MA Wins Again
- There You Go Again
- Criticism of Bush's war policy = treason
- Aye, there's the rub
- Hello
- I say again: Put up, or shut up.
- Sort of A good Point
- That being the case
- On the WMD Issue
- In The Interest Of Time - Blood For Oil (n/t)
- re: That being the case
- That being the case
- Sort of A good Point
- I say again: Put up, or shut up.
- Well said (n/t)
- Hello
- re: Criticism of Bush's war policy = treason
- Aye, there's the rub
- re: There You Go Again
- Criticism of Bush's war policy = treason
- There You Go Again
- re: MA Wins Again
- MA Wins Again
- "3) Providing aid and comfort to the enemy has nothing to do with treason and no reasonable person would think otherwise."
- Do you speak for all conservatives?
- Hell No
- around and around and around and around
- re: "Wow The Liberals Took A Poll And Voted Against The Conservative Position "
- OK It Is The Conservative Position
- OK It Is _A_ Conservative Position
- The Summary You Ignored
- Restriction of Speech
- Yes You've Got It Wrong
- As, apparently do you
- Why Do You People Ignore Half Of What I've Posted To Make Your Points?
- Wow
- Battle Fatigue?
- Scarred, battered, but unbowed
- Robert did not make a mistake, you did in misunderstanding him.
- We Both Did According To This
- That would be the apology and pledge I referred to. I could not have made my post much simpler. (n/t)
- We Both Did According To This
- Battle Fatigue?
- You people?
- Wow
- Why Do You People Ignore Half Of What I've Posted To Make Your Points?
- As, apparently do you
- Yes You've Got It Wrong
- And Ignored Again (n/t)
- Restriction of Speech
- I see The Plea For Consistency Once Again Falls On Deaf Ears
- re: OK It Is _A_ Conservative Position
- The Summary You Ignored
- OK It Is _A_ Conservative Position
- OK It Is The Conservative Position
- Hell No
- Delete Post Or Modify Name
- Point by point
- Wow The Liberals Took A Poll And Voted Against The Conservative Position
- This Is Flame
- Picking at scabs
- Uh Mark
- It isn't serious, is it FrankC -
- Is this one about me? (n/t)
