But you're more concerned about your side winning political points that winning the battle against terror or the war in Iraq if you wish to differentiate it. No blood for oil was chanted before the war, it was also chanted before the first gulf war. That doesn't change the fact that the people hoping to stir anger against the US use it as a means to to portray our efforts in Iraq as a sinister theft rather than a liberation. You may believe it is that. I don't. I think there are those that know better and portray it that way anyway.
As I said to Robert it's all about intent not the words you use. Coopting phrases is irrelevant. Do you know what you are saying is wrong and do you know it has potentially harmful effects for your country? That is what matters not the words used. I stayed away from examples earlier precisely because it was obvious you guys would take such a tack if you didn't get the basic principle. There has been far to much taking things out of context and focusing on specific wording for me to expect otherwise.
A note on the iraq is not part of the war on terror issue. I think the war was justified on failure to comply with GW1 truce and UN resolutions alone. I wanted something more done before 911. However, I think the possibility of Saddam cooperating with Al-queida with wmd could not be tolerated. If you believe as I do that Bush did think Saddam had wmd and had personal belief in that as I did then it did make sense for him to be concerned about such cooperation. People act like that was hogwash yet you see cooperation between former baathists and AQ now. It's also hard to claim Saddam would have not rationally done that while ignoring that his behavior towards UN resolutions did not appear rational.
I'm not happy with Bush's postwar handling of the situation, but don't know for sure of a better way as all choices made were tough ones. The only thing I'm really pissed about as god damn incompetance is the prisoner abuse issue.
Regards,
Mark
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- JFC can't we just get along....
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- Wow The Liberals Took A Poll And Voted Against The Conservative Position
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- There You Go Again
- Criticism of Bush's war policy = treason
- Aye, there's the rub
- Hello
- I say again: Put up, or shut up.
- Sort of A good Point
- That being the case
- On the WMD Issue
- In The Interest Of Time - Blood For Oil (n/t)
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- That being the case
- Sort of A good Point
- I say again: Put up, or shut up.
- Well said (n/t)
- Hello
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- Aye, there's the rub
- re: There You Go Again
- Criticism of Bush's war policy = treason
- There You Go Again
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- "3) Providing aid and comfort to the enemy has nothing to do with treason and no reasonable person would think otherwise."
- Do you speak for all conservatives?
- Hell No
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- re: "Wow The Liberals Took A Poll And Voted Against The Conservative Position "
- OK It Is The Conservative Position
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- The Summary You Ignored
- Restriction of Speech
- Yes You've Got It Wrong
- As, apparently do you
- Why Do You People Ignore Half Of What I've Posted To Make Your Points?
- Wow
- Battle Fatigue?
- Scarred, battered, but unbowed
- Robert did not make a mistake, you did in misunderstanding him.
- We Both Did According To This
- That would be the apology and pledge I referred to. I could not have made my post much simpler. (n/t)
- We Both Did According To This
- Battle Fatigue?
- You people?
- Wow
- Why Do You People Ignore Half Of What I've Posted To Make Your Points?
- As, apparently do you
- Yes You've Got It Wrong
- And Ignored Again (n/t)
- Restriction of Speech
- I see The Plea For Consistency Once Again Falls On Deaf Ears
- re: OK It Is _A_ Conservative Position
- The Summary You Ignored
- OK It Is _A_ Conservative Position
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- Hell No
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- Point by point
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- This Is Flame
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