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Can you say "Jail Time" - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/12/2007 6:32:06 PM

It's not about the USA - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/12/2007 12:45:01 AM
- Ya lost me. Exactly who is over there slaughtering innocents? (n/t) - Bowser - 4/12/2007 1:12:59 AM
  - The people we're at war with. - Lee - 4/12/2007 9:02:20 AM
  - Well, the USA of course...that's self evident...right?. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/12/2007 1:59:08 AM
    - Ahh, the "over there" tipped you off, didn't it??!! :-) (n/t) - Bowser - 4/12/2007 4:53:05 AM
      - Not surprised you want to derail this thread... - TB - 4/12/2007 5:31:13 AM

U.N. update - TB - 4/12/2007 4:18:09 AM

Torture of Iranian diplomat in Baghdad by US forces confirmed - Jack Herer - 4/11/2007 5:59:51 PM
- If Bush had any balls - Lindy - 4/11/2007 11:56:56 PM
- "U.S. denies Iranian claim of CIA torture" - Bowser - 4/11/2007 7:13:15 PM

Pelosi takes "first hit" in polls. - TB - 4/11/2007 8:17:43 PM
- link to the AP-Ipsos poll - TB - 4/11/2007 8:27:41 PM
  - More details from the poll - TB - 4/11/2007 8:38:27 PM

Truly Awesome! - Donald - 3/28/2007 2:12:57 AM
- "McCain, said that setting a schedule for pulling troops out of Iraq would encourage insurgents" - Lindy - 3/28/2007 8:00:12 PM
  - re: Encouragement - SteveS - 3/29/2007 1:41:15 AM
    - re: Encouragement - Lindy - 3/29/2007 7:06:25 PM
      - re: Oh, they will just stay away and play in Iraq... - SteveS - 3/30/2007 2:40:32 AM
        
        For every Al Queda we kill........ - Lindy - 3/30/2007 2:51:05 AM
        
        re: al Qaeda Recruits - SteveS - 3/30/2007 3:16:33 AM
        
        If we DON"T BAIL from Iraq..... - Lindy - 3/31/2007 3:45:35 PM
        
        Don't look at me. I didn't let her loose. - TB - 3/31/2007 4:51:10 PM
        
        Seriously... - TB - 3/31/2007 4:55:51 PM
        
        I take it - Lindy - 3/30/2007 1:39:28 PM
        
        re:That was uncalled for - SteveS - 3/30/2007 7:59:16 PM
        
        Perhaps - Lindy - 3/30/2007 10:27:27 PM
- I wish the Democrats would do me just one favor... - TB - 3/28/2007 4:24:07 AM
  - re: I wish the Democrats would do me just one favor... - Dave - 4/11/2007 7:03:01 PM
  - "The Democrats have gone all out for defeat." - Lindy - 3/28/2007 8:02:45 PM
  - Jon Stewart's take - Robert - 3/28/2007 4:22:09 PM
    - A report from Iraq - TB - 3/28/2007 4:39:48 PM
      - From that report - Laurie Street - 3/28/2007 7:31:50 PM
      - re: A report from Iraq - Laurie Street - 3/28/2007 7:20:49 PM
        
        re: A report from Iraq - gbaikie - 3/29/2007 11:29:03 PM
        
        re: A report from Iraq - TB - 3/28/2007 7:37:46 PM
    - LOL, very good, Robert! (n/t) - Raoul - 3/28/2007 4:34:38 PM
  - The Bush Legacy in Iraq - Donald - 3/28/2007 11:32:55 AM
- After Bush vetoes it his hopes for re-election are clearly sunk! (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/28/2007 2:38:32 AM
  - You miss the point entirely - Donald - 3/28/2007 2:43:17 AM

War on terror backfires: think tank - Jack Herer - 4/11/2007 1:09:49 PM
- Links - TB - 4/11/2007 5:03:35 PM
- A Symmetry of dunces. - ER - 4/11/2007 1:52:11 PM
  - my veiw as a dunce - Jack Herer - 4/11/2007 5:27:26 PM
    - The truth is usually between the two extremes. - ER - 4/11/2007 5:59:25 PM
  - The first rational post I've seen here in a while. - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/11/2007 2:31:10 PM
    - Trust me, my son. I know whereof I speak. (n/t) - ER - 4/11/2007 5:12:25 PM

The Worst Mistake Yet In Iraq - Donald - 4/11/2007 1:06:32 AM
- Another one. Stark, raving mad. "America's plan for Baghdad " - Bowser - 4/11/2007 2:21:35 AM
  - There's a reason the word "Fisk" is a verb. - TB - 4/11/2007 2:39:33 AM
    - It depends upon your goal. - Bowser - 4/11/2007 5:16:24 PM
- re: The worst mistake was not taking Sadr out two years ago. - TB - 4/11/2007 2:02:05 AM
  - "The worst mistake was not taking Sadr out..." - ER - 4/11/2007 1:31:22 PM
    - Good comment. - TB - 4/11/2007 5:24:26 PM
    - Makes as much sense as taking Saddam out. Will complicate things. - Bowser - 4/11/2007 3:31:01 PM

No end to the comedy! "Bush inviting Democrats to meet about Iraq." - Bowser - 4/10/2007 5:30:48 PM
- Democrats have painted themselves into a corner. - TB - 4/10/2007 5:49:09 PM
  - They had some high-powered help - Robert - 4/10/2007 6:20:40 PM
    - Respectfully disagree. - Bowser - 4/10/2007 10:28:31 PM
      - Someone once told me "Don't believe your own propaganda." (n/t) - TB - 4/10/2007 10:59:27 PM
      - I don't disagree, respectfully or otherwise - Robert - 4/10/2007 10:42:31 PM
        
        "Respectfully" you're both clueless. ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/11/2007 2:52:25 AM
        
        My conservative friends on the topic. - Bowser - 4/10/2007 11:09:08 PM
    - Will you admit one thing Robert? - Lee - 4/10/2007 8:45:12 PM
      - Business as usual - Robert - 4/10/2007 10:02:29 PM
  - "Poll: Congress' Approval Ratings Up". Not Bush's. Congress'. - Bowser - 4/10/2007 6:02:21 PM
    - LOL! - TB - 4/10/2007 9:43:18 PM

The thanks we get - Donald - 4/10/2007 12:59:14 AM
- re: The thanks we get - TB - 4/10/2007 5:01:02 AM
  - Fox put it at 3,000. - Lee - 4/10/2007 7:29:44 AM
    - Now that's a "credible" source - Donald - 4/10/2007 1:23:16 PM
      - You think that's going unnoticed? - Lee - 4/11/2007 2:40:29 AM
      - Not like the ones you use, of course. - TB - 4/10/2007 6:01:49 PM

Hilarious. John Bolton snatches defeat from victory. - Bowser - 4/9/2007 7:48:52 PM
- re: John Bolton's full article - SteveS - 4/10/2007 11:16:04 PM
- Without that mustache he's probably got pigeon lips. - ER - 4/9/2007 8:22:42 PM
  - re: Perfect Propaganda - SteveS - 4/10/2007 1:58:29 AM
    - Perfect Propaganda - ER - 4/10/2007 4:45:30 AM
  - Fits the description perfectly... - Lindy - 4/9/2007 9:22:04 PM
  - Bolton is still right. - TB - 4/9/2007 9:19:55 PM
    - Every Iraqi detainee is blindfolded, restrained, and has guns pointed at him. - Bowser - 4/10/2007 12:00:20 AM
      - In your view, were the British sailors tortured or not? - TB - 4/10/2007 3:48:40 AM
        
        "Your side" - Lindy - 4/10/2007 9:14:51 PM
        
        re: "party line" - TB - 4/10/2007 9:46:46 PM
      - "Get serious, and get a perspective." - Lindy - 4/10/2007 1:37:54 AM
    - Bolton is still an ass. - ER - 4/9/2007 10:30:48 PM
      - On being mistaken. - TB - 4/10/2007 4:07:02 AM
        
        re: On being mistaken. - ER - 4/10/2007 4:31:10 AM
        
        re: On being mistaken. - TB - 4/10/2007 5:28:26 AM
        
        re: On being mistaken. - Lindy - 4/10/2007 9:25:17 PM
      - "I'm also getting pretty tired of being labeled as an apologist" - RobVG - 4/10/2007 1:29:58 AM
        
        re: "I'm also getting pretty tired of being labeled as an apologist" - ER - 4/10/2007 3:21:31 AM
  - Excellent question(s) - McFly - 4/9/2007 9:06:03 PM
- re: Hilarious - TB - 4/9/2007 8:11:27 PM
  - oh Tom - azstrummer - 4/9/2007 8:58:50 PM
    - "Rooting for the team" - TB - 4/9/2007 9:22:45 PM

Calling all loggers - gbaikie - 4/10/2007 8:42:54 AM
- That might explain part of the "Heat Island" effect. - The Artist formerly know as Scott Evil - 4/10/2007 5:11:08 PM
- http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/41290/story.htm - gbaikie - 4/10/2007 9:02:12 AM

How's the CinC doing 5 years after "victory" in the other war? - Bowser - 4/10/2007 5:02:50 PM

"Price of gas up 18 cents in the past two weeks" - Bowser - 4/8/2007 10:22:06 PM
- re: Price of gas - TB - 4/10/2007 4:24:33 AM
- This SUCKS! - carl - 4/9/2007 10:02:48 PM

Another bad day in Iraq - Donald - 4/8/2007 11:15:17 PM
- Middle East fears broken Iraq - Donald - 4/9/2007 3:30:34 AM
  - Insider: Missteps Soured Iraqis on U.S. - Donald - 4/9/2007 4:48:35 AM
    - Hearts and minds. Video of "surge" shows US still kicking down doors, shooting off locks. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/9/2007 4:54:25 AM
      - The people we "liberated" - Donald - 4/9/2007 12:53:52 PM
        
        Breaking news! Sadr hates America! - TB - 4/9/2007 3:59:01 PM
        
        "Chief Iranian Buttmonkey" - Bowser - 4/9/2007 6:02:21 PM
        
        Are we talking about the same Sadr? - TB - 4/9/2007 6:16:35 PM
        
        Is there anyone Conservatives can't turn into an enemy? - Bowser - 4/9/2007 6:43:27 PM
        
        re: Is there anyone you won't suck up to as long as they're on the other side? - TB - 4/9/2007 8:19:32 PM
        
        "Black-and-white" precludes understanding. - Bowser - 4/10/2007 12:16:48 AM
        
        Yeah, I've already been through this "understanding" bit with Robert. - TB - 4/10/2007 4:11:11 AM
        
        And maybe it has something to do with him being an agent provacateur of Iran. - Lee - 4/10/2007 3:45:37 AM

China empowering Sudan - SteveS - 4/10/2007 2:42:14 AM

Absolutely devastating, from "Time". America's Broken-Down Army - Bowser - 4/5/2007 3:42:49 PM
- A commentary on this - TB - 4/7/2007 5:01:44 AM
  - Well, I read the whole thing. - Bowser - 4/8/2007 7:41:11 PM
- Somehow I don't think you would like what it would take to win. - Lee - 4/5/2007 7:01:37 PM
  - There's a lesson in there somewhere... - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/6/2007 11:19:05 AM
    - ROBERT Can you move SDAI's post to FLAME? - Lindy - 4/6/2007 4:36:12 PM
      - I agree with Tom, Lindy - Robert - 4/6/2007 10:14:34 PM
        
        Half of us? - FrankC - 4/7/2007 8:49:13 PM
        
        re: Half of us? - Robert - 4/8/2007 4:17:20 PM
        
        re: Half of us? - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/10/2007 1:05:05 AM
      - Just start a new Flame thread and link to original post. (n/t) - TB - 4/6/2007 4:50:41 PM
- Where are my eagles? - ER - 4/5/2007 5:33:30 PM
  - Don't be shy, tell us what you really feel - Robert - 4/5/2007 5:44:43 PM
    - The "Peace Dividend." - TB - 4/5/2007 6:11:21 PM
      - re: The military is not the solution anymore - Raoul - 4/5/2007 8:48:38 PM
        
        re: The military is not the solution anymore - TB - 4/5/2007 10:10:19 PM
        
        Couldn't do any worse, could they? - Bowser - 4/5/2007 11:17:31 PM
      - Give peace a chance - Robert - 4/5/2007 7:51:31 PM
        
        re: Give peace a chance - TB - 4/5/2007 10:08:53 PM
        
        A current example - TB - 4/5/2007 10:22:38 PM
        
        No Robert, peace is good... - Lee - 4/5/2007 8:54:02 PM
        
        peace is good... - Robert - 4/5/2007 10:14:31 PM
        
        Now, on the second part of your post... - TB - 4/5/2007 10:36:44 PM
        
        Good frigging Lord, study some history. - TB - 4/5/2007 10:28:05 PM
        
        Uh oh, a breakdown of the time-binding faculty - Robert - 4/6/2007 2:13:00 AM
        
        re: Uh oh, a breakdown of reality - TB - 4/6/2007 4:27:26 AM
        
        Uh oh, a breakdown of reality - Robert - 4/6/2007 10:08:31 PM
        
        re: Uh oh, a breakdown of reality - TB - 4/7/2007 4:24:30 AM
        
        You misread it - Robert - 4/8/2007 4:43:10 PM
        
        Again, here's a shorter version: - TB - 4/9/2007 2:57:00 AM
        
        Still misreading - Robert - 4/9/2007 3:25:40 PM
        
        You don't get it. - TB - 4/9/2007 4:27:32 PM
        
        You refuse to get it - Robert - 4/9/2007 4:57:00 PM
        
        Getting it now... - TB - 4/9/2007 6:07:17 PM
        
        You go TB... - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/10/2007 12:55:29 AM
        
        Did I misread this one? - TB - 4/9/2007 2:40:43 AM
        
        Did I misread this one? - TB - 4/9/2007 2:40:38 AM
        
        Short version... - TB - 4/6/2007 4:59:06 AM
      - Stealth mode: run silent, run deep - ER - 4/5/2007 7:03:32 PM
        
        Tell me, is there anything I could write here that won't drive someone nuts? - TB - 4/5/2007 7:34:55 PM
        
        Is there anything you write here that isn't nuts? - Robert - 4/5/2007 7:53:45 PM
        
        re: Is there anything you write here that isn't nuts? - Lindy - 4/5/2007 8:25:43 PM
        
        Probably not. - ER - 4/5/2007 7:52:57 PM
        
        Aw, come on. I just caught Robert going "hippie" on me. - TB - 4/5/2007 10:05:14 PM
        
        Seriously... - TB - 4/5/2007 10:16:21 PM
        
        The jury's still out on phogiston chemistry... - ER - 4/5/2007 11:46:18 PM
        
        How about the Ether Bunny? - TB - 4/5/2007 11:52:04 PM
        
        I wash my hands.... (n/t) - ER - 4/6/2007 12:29:49 AM
      - Now explain that in light of Bush's 6 years of getting everything for which he's asked. - Bowser - 4/5/2007 6:58:49 PM

FBI Agents Mourn LOSS of Bush - carl - 4/9/2007 10:01:04 PM

Iran nuclear progress - TB - 4/9/2007 3:40:31 PM
- re: Iran nuclear progress - Hans - 4/9/2007 6:33:42 PM
- And exactly why shouldn't Iran generate nuclear power? - Bowser - 4/9/2007 6:03:20 PM

Gore descends to speak to Congress - TB - 3/21/2007 6:11:13 PM
- re: Gore descends to speak to Congress - gbaikie - 3/22/2007 4:28:24 PM
  - re: And he slipped - SteveS - 3/23/2007 11:11:35 PM
- Jesus HMF Christ! - Buck Galaxy - 3/22/2007 9:20:31 AM
  - re: Jesus HMF Christ indeed. - TB - 3/22/2007 5:10:50 PM
    - Proof positive - Buck Galaxy - 3/23/2007 6:41:18 AM
      - re: Proof - TB - 3/23/2007 7:25:06 PM
  - re:Whatâ€™s wrong with this denialists - SteveS - 3/22/2007 12:45:36 PM
    - Would links make a difference? - TB - 3/22/2007 5:23:10 PM
    - re: re:Whatâ€™s wrong with this denialists - Yeti - 3/22/2007 3:13:58 PM
      - re: re:Whatâ€™s wrong with this denialists - SteveS - 3/23/2007 11:07:23 PM
  - re: Jesus HMF Christ! - ER - 3/22/2007 11:37:28 AM
- The Earth has a fever you know. - Lee - 3/22/2007 12:50:17 AM
- I'm tired of commenting on this subject. - SDF - 3/21/2007 7:03:41 PM
  - Yup, you are done... - R.L. - 3/22/2007 10:35:42 AM
    - So you think Gore is pushing global warming out of the goodness of his heart? - SDF - 3/22/2007 3:45:49 PM
      - Possibly yes. - TB - 3/22/2007 5:51:01 PM
      - Maybe he is hoping for more money for Greenpeace. - SDF - 3/22/2007 5:42:06 PM
  - Global warming does seem to be a money making scam. - Lee - 3/22/2007 12:48:43 AM
    - re: Global warming does seem to be a money making scam. - gk - 4/9/2007 2:56:44 AM
    - That's it in a nutshell. It's extremely profitable. (n/t) - ER - 3/22/2007 3:37:06 AM
      - I disagree. - TB - 3/22/2007 4:55:10 AM
        
        Money is power. - ER - 3/22/2007 11:30:39 AM
      - That's way Conservatives are fighting it - obscene profits in it. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/22/2007 4:14:45 AM
    - I agree. (n/t) - SDF - 3/22/2007 2:04:04 AM
      - If they called it the "Fossil fuel depletion act" then I might think differently - SDF - 3/22/2007 3:07:29 AM
        
        And more conflicted reasoning - SDF - 3/23/2007 3:50:31 PM
- No, Gore just spoke to congress (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/21/2007 6:28:10 PM
  - Details - TB - 3/21/2007 8:31:34 PM
    - Tom, I have been late to talks - R.L. - 3/22/2007 10:28:38 AM
      - R.L., he was waiting in a hall near the committee room. - TB - 3/22/2007 5:20:22 PM
    - re: Details - Chris Vancil - 3/21/2007 10:01:57 PM
      - RL asked why I put it that way in the header. I told him. - TB - 3/22/2007 1:10:52 AM

The "super-surge" could have been predicted. - Bowser - 4/8/2007 4:54:34 AM
- The surge is in fact 4 years late - Buck Galaxy - 4/8/2007 6:30:00 AM
  - And, "they" want it more than does the US. - Bowser - 4/8/2007 3:32:53 PM
  - The surge is in fact, premature - ER - 4/8/2007 12:29:46 PM
    - "They are gambling ...........' - Lindy - 4/8/2007 3:19:15 PM
      - Of all the loopy rationalizations of the anti-war people... - TB - 4/9/2007 2:50:41 AM

So. How are the Iraqis doing on their "deadlines"? The expectations? - Bowser - 4/8/2007 10:12:06 PM
- Scylla and Charybdis - ER - 4/8/2007 10:20:49 PM

Somewhere Alan Moore is smiling... - TB - 4/5/2007 4:54:37 AM
- re: Somewhere Alan Moore is smiling... - Doug Ellison - 4/5/2007 12:31:24 PM
  - Welcome to Airstrip One - Fox - 4/5/2007 5:42:36 PM
    - Draconian laws come about in one of two ways. - Lee - 4/5/2007 7:24:06 PM
      - re: Draconian laws come about in one of two ways. - Doug Ellison - 4/5/2007 9:11:18 PM
        
        Then maybe something else is needed. - Lee - 4/5/2007 9:30:55 PM
        
        re: Then maybe something else is needed. - Doug Ellison - 4/6/2007 9:08:46 AM
        
        They should try going back to public humiliation as a punishment. - Lee - 4/6/2007 8:13:41 PM
        
        re: They should try going back to public humiliation as a punishment. - Doug Ellison - 4/6/2007 10:06:01 PM
        
        There's the rub. - Lee - 4/6/2007 10:56:30 PM
        
        re: There's the rub. - Doug Ellison - 4/7/2007 5:55:10 AM
        
        Now you understand... - Lee - 4/7/2007 8:58:45 PM
        
        re: Now you understand... - Doug Ellison - 4/7/2007 11:07:49 PM
        
        It is a political issue to the activists... - Lee - 4/8/2007 12:38:27 AM
        
        When politics is the tool you have, it's the tool you use. - Mary Anne - 4/8/2007 4:02:32 PM
    - That's a rather cold-blooded way of looking at it (n/t) - Robert - 4/5/2007 5:46:57 PM
      - precisely (n/t) - Fox - 4/5/2007 5:47:39 PM

"US denies Iranian torture claim " - Bowser - 4/8/2007 3:51:48 AM
- You'd believe him if he claimed the CIA killed him. (n/t) - TB - 4/8/2007 5:11:00 AM
  - The US administration has lost ALL credibility many times over. (n/t) - Eric - 4/8/2007 1:51:48 PM

Cheney accuses Pelosi of â€˜bad behaviorâ€™ in Syria - Lindy - 4/6/2007 5:15:58 PM
- When has Cheney been right? He's a helluva nice endorsement! (n/t) - Bowser - 4/8/2007 3:45:02 AM
- Not just Cheney. - TB - 4/7/2007 4:44:47 AM
  - And from a Lebanese newspaper... - TB - 4/8/2007 12:45:15 AM
  - She's great... - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/7/2007 5:19:16 AM

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