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Reserved: a very special corner of Hell... - Tom Brosz - 3/18/2003 4:47:42 PM

Keep Our Brave Men & Women in Mind! - Al - 3/18/2003 2:44:50 PM
- Hang in there, and thanks for the link! - Tom Brosz - 3/18/2003 4:31:41 PM
- God bless him and keep him safe. (nt) (n/t) - FrankC - 3/18/2003 3:18:07 PM

Senate Democrats blame Bush administration's diplomacy for causing war! - Scott - 3/18/2003 4:18:05 PM
- ABC News Headline for Bush's speech: "Special Report: When Diplomacy Fails." (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/18/2003 4:29:36 PM

Clinton trusts a leader to do the right thing. - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 5:36:47 PM
- Expect Even Clinton to fall into line as the Truth begins to spill out of Iraq - Scott - 3/18/2003 3:52:56 PM

A question to the without-the-UN true believers: - ebnellson - 3/18/2003 11:06:22 AM
- AS I said below. A comarison of Sadam to Hitler is valid. - Scott - 3/18/2003 3:27:23 PM

NYT admits error - p - 3/17/2003 5:55:05 PM
- Hey, they were faster this time - Larry J - 3/18/2003 2:26:31 PM
- Get CBS, too!!! - Bowser - 3/17/2003 8:03:24 PM
- The thing that irks me - FrankC - 3/17/2003 7:47:26 PM
  - God forbid you be irked!!! - Bowser - 3/17/2003 8:00:35 PM
    - Irking me would not qualify - FrankC - 3/17/2003 8:56:24 PM
    - Here's an example of what you are talking about - FrankC - 3/17/2003 10:20:57 AM
      - Your mind, man, your mind!!! - Bowser - 3/17/2003 1:44:21 PM
        
        Ah, but just a gentle mark to remind them they were wrong - FrankC - 3/17/2003 3:03:31 PM
- Re: NYT admits error - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 11:31:52 AM

Any guesses as to how the war will be waged? - Scott - 3/18/2003 12:29:12 PM
- I don't think there will be a rush to move in land forces - alcaray - 3/18/2003 1:06:09 PM
  - I was thinking along those lines... - Scott - 3/18/2003 1:25:53 PM

Evolution in Action - Tom Brosz - 3/18/2003 12:11:06 PM
- Re: Evolution in Action - Larry J - 3/18/2003 1:14:49 PM

Tony Blair's speech - Tom Brosz - 3/18/2003 12:04:31 PM

Words from the past 6/5/44 (warning un-PC language) - p - 3/17/2003 7:05:50 PM
- This is not a "war". - Bowser - 3/17/2003 7:50:31 PM
  - Re:Busherie - Raoul Lannoy - 3/17/2003 8:17:48 PM
    - Re: Busherie - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 8:55:13 PM
      - Re: Busherie - Raoul Lannoy - 3/17/2003 9:09:12 AM
        
        It's "Tommie" this, and "Tommie" that... ;) (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 9:25:19 AM
        
        Now I know how you see yourself!........ - Publius - 3/17/2003 3:08:23 PM
- George C Scott - Raoul Lannoy - 3/17/2003 7:14:37 PM
  - Actually........ - Publius - 3/17/2003 11:01:54 AM

By the way, the UN did work. Perfectly. - Bowser - 3/15/2003 2:12:17 PM
- Saddam has had 12 years to disarm - E.P. Grondine - 3/17/2003 8:50:35 PM
- Great! - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 2:21:28 PM

But I thought the anti war protestors loved this country? - Lee - 3/16/2003 7:02:03 PM
- They are a mixed bag - Gary - 3/17/2003 5:03:37 PM
  - No need for the quotation marks, it was a typo. - Lee - 3/17/2003 8:31:50 PM

B-52's launch yet from BARKSDALE? - Manny - 3/17/2003 7:26:25 PM
- They can fly from Barksdale but there are closer locations - Larry J - 3/17/2003 7:49:08 PM

National Post: "The death of Europe as we know it" - Larry J - 3/16/2003 10:31:52 AM
- The demographics don't bode well do they? n/t (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/16/2003 3:14:35 PM
  - A preservation program should be put into place - Lee - 3/16/2003 6:20:33 PM
    - Why bother? - Scott - 3/17/2003 5:38:44 PM
    - Whoa...Lee...easy there. - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 6:46:03 PM
      - The Arabs were running on the regurgitated knowledge of Greece and Rome. - Lee - 3/16/2003 7:23:31 PM
        
        regurgitated knowledge - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 11:29:20 AM
        
        No trick - Lee - 3/17/2003 7:25:50 PM
- If only Paris had fallen in 1914. (n/t) - Lee - 3/16/2003 12:02:39 PM
- If only Paris had fallen in 1914. (n/t) - Lee - 3/16/2003 12:02:38 PM

From DEBKAfile - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 4:44:24 PM
- My revised opinion about Debka ile - Gary - 3/16/2003 5:53:17 PM
  - Sorry about that... - Gary - 3/16/2003 6:23:22 PM
- Well...I predicted 48 hours until attack...It looks like I was about 24 hours pre-mature... - Scott - 3/16/2003 5:12:39 PM
  - It's FULL MOON tonight! - Raoul Lannoy - 3/17/2003 4:47:26 PM
    - Good for some things, bad for others - Larry J - 3/17/2003 7:15:10 PM
  - War is Inevitable - Lindy - 3/16/2003 5:27:15 PM
    - Your worst case senario relies on a woobbly legs - Scott - 3/16/2003 5:43:38 PM
    - Re: War is Inevitable - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 5:40:55 PM

Pournelle and others raise the warning flags for war - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 6:20:02 PM
- What tipped 'em off? n/t (n/t) - Bowser - 3/17/2003 5:20:36 PM

Very interesting article from MSNBC - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 12:38:58 PM
- And another: "What France Really Wants" - Larry J - 3/16/2003 1:05:42 PM
  - Re: Veto - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 6:40:37 PM
    - France doesn't even deserve a permanent seat on the UNSC - Larry J - 3/17/2003 2:50:04 PM
      - Re: Who's to judge ? - Raoul Lannoy - 3/17/2003 4:45:02 PM
  - That hits the nail on the head. - SDAITech1 - 3/16/2003 3:12:59 PM

Hello? Alternatives to war? - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 11:26:20 AM
- Alternatives....difficult question - R.L. - 3/16/2003 5:55:00 PM
- Alternatives - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 1:14:55 PM
  - Re: Alternatives - gbaikie - 3/16/2003 3:55:04 PM
    - Re: Alternatives - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 5:12:11 PM
  - What massive political damage? - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/16/2003 3:01:00 PM
    - Re: What massive political damage? - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 3:55:19 PM
      - Re: What massive political damage? - Scott - 3/16/2003 5:21:25 PM
      - Useful idiots will be very useful indeed. - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 4:01:41 PM
    - The Horror of a French-German-Russian Alliance... - Scott - 3/16/2003 3:05:28 PM
      - Re: LOL... - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 6:43:51 PM
  - Re: Alternatives - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 1:40:02 PM
    - "Smartest Liberals I know"....aw shucks, thanks Tom ;-) n/t (n/t) - Tony - 3/17/2003 2:13:33 PM
    - Re: Alternatives - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 2:16:11 PM
      - Hope that isn't all you got... (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 4:02:47 PM
        
        No, I'm sure if I wrack on it for awhile I can come up with somehing plausible...Problem is war is due to start the morning of (I bet) the 18th! So whats the point now? (n/t) - Davin l - 3/17/2003 3:42:08 PM

Bush to make address tonight at 8 - Tony - 3/17/2003 3:36:20 PM

Is it "sabotage" yet? - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 12:53:14 PM
- Civil disobedience, remember? - Bowser - 3/15/2003 2:09:07 PM
  - You'd do that for ME?! - Occasional Reader - 3/16/2003 11:22:24 AM
    - The idea is that we set the standard... - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 12:49:45 PM
      - And the US sets the "standard" MUCH higher than Saddam. Don't pretend otherwise. nt (n/t) - Occasional Reader - 3/16/2003 5:21:26 PM
        
        LOL! So you DO set your standard by what's better than him! - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 5:56:44 PM
  - A difference Bowser - RNE - 3/15/2003 5:42:41 PM
  - Re: Civil disobedience, remember? - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 2:19:51 PM
    - Re: Civil disobedience, remember? - Publius - 3/15/2003 4:02:29 PM
      - Re: Civil disobedience, remember? - gbaikie - 3/15/2003 7:29:04 PM
        
        Thank you for the Frederick Douglass quote - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 12:41:01 PM
        
        Re: Thank you for the Frederick Douglass quote - Publius - 3/16/2003 2:08:47 PM
        
        Terrorism - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 7:24:43 PM
        
        Re: Terrorism - Publius - 3/16/2003 3:44:48 PM
        
        Oh, I'm pretty sure you'll know the definition of "terrorism" when it happens to you. nt (n/t) - Occasional Reader - 3/16/2003 5:24:47 PM
        
        Oh, I'm pretty sure you'll know the definition of "terrorism" when it happens to you. nt (n/t) - Occasional Reader - 3/16/2003 5:24:45 PM
        
        occasional twit, never have found a comprehensive one, enlighten me!......n/t (n/t) - Publius - 3/16/2003 3:35:12 PM
        
        You're welcome - gbaikie - 3/16/2003 12:08:16 PM
        
        The abolitionist movement was considered criminal in the South before the Civil War - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 3:31:25 PM
- This would be a good time... - FrankC - 3/15/2003 1:52:45 PM
- Becomes scary when democracy becomes too participatory?........n/t (n/t) - Publius - 3/15/2003 1:12:43 PM
  - So mob rule is democracy? - ebnelson - 3/16/2003 2:22:22 PM
  - democracy becomes too participatory? - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 1:38:05 PM
    - ROTFLMAO!!!!! - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 6:03:26 PM
      - "democratic" socialism - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 7:42:59 PM
        
        yawn - Davin L - 3/16/2003 9:51:11 AM
        
        Nice try... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/16/2003 11:22:11 AM
        
        Re: Nice try... - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 12:48:51 PM
        
        Sorry... - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 10:58:05 AM
        
        Re: Sorry... - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 12:34:33 PM
        
        Re: Sorry... - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 1:06:48 PM
        
        Tom...Check This Out! - More Must Reads! - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/16/2003 2:10:43 PM
        
        Re: Tom...Check This Out! - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 3:57:18 PM
        
        Re: Tom...Check This Out! - More Must Reads! - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 2:36:39 PM
        
        PS This is important too. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/16/2003 2:33:27 PM
        
        Re: Sorry... - davin L. - 3/16/2003 1:35:02 PM
        
        Ook! - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 2:13:13 PM
        
        Think of it this way, George, says the man in the yellow hat... ;-) - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 2:32:44 PM
        
        Re: Think of it this way - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 4:12:03 PM
        
        Or... - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 4:36:11 PM
        
        Wow, we might be close to agreement - Davin L - 3/16/2003 4:49:40 PM
        
        Could be... - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 5:38:31 PM
        
        Re: Could be... - Davin L (just another GOD-damn stalinist, I suppose?) - 3/17/2003 3:28:12 PM
        
        Re: Could be... - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 9:22:54 AM
      - The old, it wasn't really Socialism argument - Scott - 3/16/2003 5:57:39 PM
    - Yeah, like the Viet Nam protests, or those dangerous kids at Kent State? ...n/t (n/t) - Publius - 3/15/2003 1:43:05 PM
      - TB claims Americans wouldn't shoot Americans. - Bowser - 3/15/2003 3:02:12 PM
      - You shouldn't stick things in the business end of a loaded firearm. - Lee - 3/15/2003 2:02:50 PM
        
        Re: Shooting off your mou-- , I mean, a loaded firearm - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 12:02:04 PM

Bush and God - Bowser - 3/15/2003 2:59:51 PM
- Re: Bush and God - Occasional Reader - 3/16/2003 10:58:44 AM
- Re: Bush and God - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 10:05:23 AM
  - On 9/11 who's orders were being followed? - Scott - 3/16/2003 5:52:56 PM
    - Re: On 9/11 who's orders were being followed? - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 6:52:25 PM
  - I ask in all seriousness, Raoul - ebnelson - 3/16/2003 2:20:33 PM
    - Re: 1944-2003 - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 4:34:57 PM
      - Thanks for your answer - ebnlson - 3/17/2003 1:33:45 PM
      - non-intervention in internal affairs of states. - FrankC - 3/16/2003 8:48:44 PM
        
        Re: non-intervention in internal affairs of states. - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 9:14:15 AM
        
        You noticed all those "treaties" too, huh? - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 9:03:45 AM
      - "Iraq is not occupying any country in 2003" Guess why. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 7:18:49 PM
        
        So if we recognize Kurdistan then the war is justified? - Scott - 3/16/2003 5:47:00 PM
- Re: Bush and God - Publius - 3/15/2003 4:00:20 PM

Bush Plan - Rebuild Iraq within ONE year. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/17/2003 10:19:46 AM
- Jordan will be the primary beneficiary...As will Palestinians - Scott - 3/17/2003 10:23:11 AM

George W. Queeg - Don - 3/14/2003 5:17:28 PM
- I couldn't get past the foreign aid bit. - RobVG - 3/15/2003 8:02:24 PM
  - Re: I couldn't get past the foreign aid bit. - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 8:46:51 PM
  - Don? - Lindy - 3/15/2003 7:53:29 PM
  - How about a little truth to wash down the unsupported BS? - Davin L. - 3/15/2003 12:00:38 PM
    - Re: How about a little truth - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 1:35:31 PM
      - Re: How about a little truth - Davin L. - 3/15/2003 5:28:50 PM
        
        Charity at home - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 7:55:22 PM
        
        Cut the crap, Tom! - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 5:40:26 PM
        
        Crap? - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 7:55:55 PM
        
        Yep, Crap - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 9:30:27 AM
        
        Re: Yep, Crap - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 12:44:31 PM
        
        The other thing - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 1:02:37 PM
        
        Re: Yep, Crap - Davin L. - 3/16/2003 12:57:04 PM
        
        "Yes and Yes." I would have bet money on it. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/17/2003 9:24:27 AM
    - I believe you are familiar with opportunity costs? - RobVG - 3/15/2003 1:13:28 PM
      - Re: I believe you are familiar with opportunity costs? - Davin L. - 3/15/2003 1:17:50 PM
        
        ...You want fries with that? - RobVG - 3/15/2003 4:03:44 PM
    - A a little more truth to cut out any wiggle room - Davin L. - 3/15/2003 12:11:29 PM

So, how many of these demonstrations made the news? - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 5:25:08 PM
- Prime example - RNE - 3/16/2003 8:15:43 PM
  - As opposed to our good friends, the Turks - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 12:32:20 PM
    - When you are in a gun fight... - FrankC - 3/16/2003 8:39:34 PM
    - One of my neighbors was in Turkey on 9-11 - Larry J - 3/16/2003 8:02:02 PM
      - Re: And Algeria - Raoul Lannoy - 3/16/2003 8:57:59 PM
        
        But they don't intend to be the last victims - Larry J - 3/16/2003 10:10:19 AM
- Nah, these guys are paid actors from the USA who dressed up in Iraqi clothes for the cameras. - David F Mayer - 3/15/2003 6:09:49 PM

Ted Kennedy's oposition to renewable energy - p - 3/15/2003 8:56:00 PM
- Follow the money - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 11:08:20 AM
  - Jeb Bush in Florida....... - Publius - 3/15/2003 1:23:40 PM
- Say What? - Lee - 3/15/2003 10:26:03 AM
  - Re: Say What? - Publius - 3/15/2003 1:34:16 PM
    - The Public - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 2:02:10 PM
      - I'll bet..... - Publius - 3/15/2003 4:20:20 PM
        
        You pay taxes on well water?? - Tom Brosz - 3/15/2003 4:34:14 PM
        
        Water pumped out of the ground = well water - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 1:35:52 PM
        
        Re: well water - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 9:08:13 AM
    - I hope you're joking - Lee - 3/15/2003 1:56:29 PM
      - Taxes - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 1:58:55 PM
        
        And I'm sure all of those taxes are fine by you and your kind.. - Lee - 3/16/2003 7:59:18 PM
        
        And my kind, huh? - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 9:20:14 AM
        
        Naw, he's a half-twit!................n/t (n/t) - Publius - 3/16/2003 3:54:50 PM
        
        And may you have one too many - Lee - 3/16/2003 12:22:41 PM
        
        Okay, Lee. Over the line, there. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 12:45:19 PM
        
        Yeah yeah, I guess you're right. - Lee - 3/16/2003 1:13:41 PM
        
        See you at the Flame Board, if you can find it n/t (n/t) - Mary Anne - 3/16/2003 3:16:39 PM
        
        Re: Taxes - Tom Brosz - 3/16/2003 9:26:34 AM
        
        If Bush wants to really get the economy going. - Lee - 3/16/2003 12:39:51 PM
  - words DO have meaning!..... (n/t) - Publius - 3/15/2003 1:25:03 PM
    - And I meant everyone of them. (n/t) (n/t) - Lee - 3/15/2003 1:47:23 PM
      - I am sure you meant them, understanding them is another matter .........n/t (n/t) - Publius - 3/15/2003 4:22:35 PM

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