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Scott Evil's Bail-out plan - TAFKASE - 9/25/2008 2:52:32 PM
- re: Jack's Plan - Jack Herer - 9/25/2008 6:43:22 PM
  - re: wrong price tag but interesting theory (n/t) - Jack Herer - 9/25/2008 6:49:03 PM
- Lets Call it the Scott Evil Economic Reset Act of 2008 (SEER) - TAFKASE - 9/25/2008 3:08:54 PM
  - re: Lets make this SEER law an admendment to the Constitution... Section 2 can limit terms of Senators to 2, and terms of Representatives to 3... - TAFKASE - 9/25/2008 5:33:46 PM
    - re: By the way... International Accounting Standards will be the scape goat that the politicians use to hide behind here. - TAFKASE - 9/25/2008 5:36:19 PM

As cited on Drudge, Letterman wipes the walls with McCain. Here's the video. - Bowser - 9/25/2008 1:18:06 AM
- Guess ya don't wanna piss David Letterman off. - Jody - 9/25/2008 1:49:57 PM
  - re: Guess ya don't wanna piss David Letterman off. - Lindy - 9/25/2008 4:49:40 PM
- The full show is even more brutal than that clip... - ARRELL - 9/25/2008 4:34:57 AM
  - Craig Ferguson- I dont watch cbs that often :) - ARRELL - 9/25/2008 4:58:57 AM

Gates: Bush says we can attack in Pakistan without asking - Laurie Street - 9/25/2008 12:04:53 AM
- A lesson to *all* of us - McFly - 9/25/2008 2:37:48 AM
- An open question... - TB - 9/25/2008 12:10:09 AM
  - The only way to win THIS war... - Eri - 9/25/2008 3:59:23 AM
    - Until the US learns to fight a guerilla war it should quit. - Bowser - 9/25/2008 4:50:05 AM
  - Meanwhile, - - - - Bowser - 9/25/2008 3:23:52 AM
  - Are there any limits? - Bowser - 9/25/2008 2:51:25 AM
    - Anybody out there actually have an answer? (n/t) - TB - 9/25/2008 5:00:20 AM
      - Learn to fight a guerilla war! Limit innocent casualties!! - Bowser - 9/25/2008 5:16:36 AM
        
        Okay, now, real slow and easy... - TB - 9/25/2008 6:19:40 AM
        
        OK. After 7 years of losing, start listening to Karzai, for one. - Bowser - 9/25/2008 12:27:20 PM
        
        What is Karzai saying about al Qaeda bases in Pakistan? (n/t) - TB - 9/25/2008 3:28:40 PM
        
        BTW - TB - 9/25/2008 6:33:42 AM

Newt Gingrich on the bailout - TB - 9/22/2008 6:21:55 PM
- The problem with the Bailout: THIS IS ENRON ON STERIODS - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:31:20 AM
  - I saw on the news that McCain is opposing the Bailout. - REB - 9/24/2008 1:00:27 PM
    - This whole mess isn't good for McCain. He should oppose it loudly. - TAFKASE - 9/25/2008 9:58:41 AM
- I am against the whole bailout thing. - REB - 9/23/2008 2:31:31 PM
  - I agree - SDG - 9/24/2008 8:07:32 PM
    - A correction is long overdue - TB - 9/25/2008 12:22:20 AM
- And on NPR - McFly - 9/22/2008 11:31:48 PM
  - I agree - Eri - 9/23/2008 12:04:04 AM
    - His ideas are the same now as they were then. - TB - 9/23/2008 12:37:31 AM
      - Isn't he the guy that called Bill Clinton immoral? - Bowser - 9/23/2008 4:51:35 AM
        
        re: And why did your marrage or should I say mirage end? - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:37:40 AM
        
        Some Conservatives use "immorality" as a shield and they are the biggest (n/t) - Hypocrites - 9/23/2008 11:30:05 AM
        
        This is pretty much your service ceiling in the area of political ideas, isn't it? (n/t) - TB - 9/23/2008 5:56:55 AM
        
        "Bush Proclaims National Character Counts Week" - Bowser - 9/23/2008 2:00:51 PM
        
        I hear you - McFly - 9/23/2008 3:25:05 PM
        
        Absolutely perfect characterization. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/23/2008 5:28:19 PM

Another conservative bails out on John McCain - z - 9/24/2008 3:22:51 AM
- "Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. " - John McCain - 9/24/2008 4:43:53 PM
  - That's not a direct quote. At least try to pay attention. (n/t) - TB - 9/25/2008 12:16:05 AM
  - Take it easy there, John - McFly - 9/24/2008 5:00:40 PM
- "...boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes..." - ER - 9/24/2008 10:35:10 AM
- It helps to understand the box in which McCain finds himself. - Bowser - 9/24/2008 4:25:18 AM
- re: McCain has it partially right: Somebody better lose their head if they think the taxpayer should spend 700 Billion on a bailout - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:34:54 AM
  - But cripes, Cuomo?? (n/t) - TB - 9/24/2008 5:44:57 AM

Bernanke - dead wrong up to now, still expecting Congress to believe him this time. - Bowser - 9/24/2008 3:20:13 PM
- 3. Export of fraud with mortgage bonds, mainly to China, Europe, Russia, England - JEKing - 9/24/2008 11:16:22 PM
- I'm no economist. - ER - 9/24/2008 5:42:43 PM
  - The assumption that Bush has America's best interests in mind. - Bowser - 9/24/2008 7:11:35 PM
    - That's where I disagree with you Bowz, - ER - 9/24/2008 7:48:15 PM
      - I'll offer a compromise. Don't tell TB. - Bowser - 9/24/2008 8:26:31 PM
- re: This plan was drawn up months ago! - Jack Herer - 9/24/2008 3:56:01 PM
  - Stampedes. - Bowser - 9/24/2008 5:06:50 PM
    - Perhaps the reason the R's don't want to cap salaries as a condition... - McFly - 9/24/2008 5:36:09 PM

A better idea than the bailout - TB - 9/24/2008 4:10:55 PM
- Something else from George Will - TB - 9/24/2008 4:24:40 PM
  - I don't understand why people are talking as if Paulson/Bush plan will bear any resemblence to what is passed. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/24/2008 10:08:48 PM

Biden says NO to clean coal. - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 4:05:11 AM
- And shows us his IQ - TB - 9/24/2008 5:54:30 AM
  - My grandparents preferred reading FDR's speeches online. (n/t) - Lee - 9/24/2008 1:54:05 PM
    - Oh, Lee - - - your grandparents - - - read - - - - Bowser - 9/24/2008 4:24:14 PM
      - Bowser!! - McFly - 9/24/2008 5:49:58 PM
      - Careful now. - Lee - 9/24/2008 5:23:01 PM

"Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime", or "How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers" - Bowser - 9/24/2008 5:42:27 PM

"Winning in Afghanistan" - Bowser - 9/24/2008 6:34:10 AM
- Russia must be LOL at the US (n/t) - Jack Herer - 9/24/2008 2:07:57 PM

New Electric Cars from Chrysler. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 10:04:23 PM
- There's a world of difference between... - Nick Hoffman - 9/24/2008 12:16:41 AM
  - Get Ralph Nader to sign off on relieving any electric car producers of product liability lawsuits... - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:54:58 AM
    - Why? Do they explode? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/24/2008 7:40:21 AM
  - 28 years. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/24/2008 2:39:55 AM
    - I can't hold it for 500 miles. Can you? - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 4:00:53 AM
      - APU or Electric Outboard Motor for cars - Nick Hoffman - 9/24/2008 5:27:34 AM
      - Going the distance. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/24/2008 5:03:19 AM
    - Don't forget the secret carburator that runs on water. - TB - 9/24/2008 3:16:11 AM
      - Apples & oranges. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/24/2008 3:55:48 AM
      - For a while I thought it was just me. - ER - 9/24/2008 3:36:19 AM
- Are the auto companies so beholden to oil influences that they don't have a free hand? - JEKing - 9/23/2008 11:24:02 PM
- re: New Electric Cars from Chrysler. - Eric - 9/23/2008 11:04:30 PM

US Army on civilian patrol duty October 1st due to Bush edict - Lindy - 9/22/2008 3:17:09 PM
- re: If your worried, then buy a few guns so you can protect yourself against the SS. (n/t) - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:48:08 AM
- Only one reason for that I can see. - Bowser - 9/23/2008 12:34:08 AM
  - Dang! You found out! Prepare the HAARP weapon! Ha! Your tinfoil is as nothing to us now! (n/t) - TB - 9/23/2008 4:31:35 AM
    - And you think Bush is seeking more control over the population why? - Bowser - 9/23/2008 5:17:53 AM
  - Two crisises together - Lindy - 9/23/2008 2:36:42 AM
    - Don't forget firewood. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 6:18:52 AM
- The warm and fuzzies have left the building - McFly - 9/22/2008 3:59:59 PM
  - re: The warm and fuzzies have left the building - Rob - 9/24/2008 5:38:53 AM
  - Oh crap! - Eri - 9/22/2008 9:26:41 PM
    - Does Bush have power? - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:50:20 AM
    - I wouldn't worry about that. - ER - 9/23/2008 12:52:17 PM
      - We've all aged during Bush's term - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:52:19 AM
    - Can't speak to that point, but... - McFly - 9/23/2008 12:00:01 PM
      - "Five gallons away from savagery." - Bowser - 9/24/2008 1:21:33 AM
      - re: Can't speak to that point, but... - JEKing - 9/23/2008 11:49:48 PM
      - re: Can't speak to that point, but... - Lindy - 9/23/2008 9:44:42 PM
        
        You did realize I was joking in the firewood post right? - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 11:23:54 PM
        
        re: You did realize I was joking in the firewood post right? - Lindy - 9/24/2008 2:03:36 AM
      - Make you wonder, doesn't it? - RNE - 9/23/2008 5:12:40 PM
        
        "Idiots running the financial giants" - TB - 9/23/2008 5:19:20 PM
        
        Somebody was running the ship - RNE - 9/23/2008 10:16:54 PM
    - Time to change your party affiliation. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 6:35:26 AM

FBI to investigate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Lehman and AIG - SteveS - 9/24/2008 1:25:46 AM
- re: Its about time. - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:11:01 AM
- Yeah, but let's see if the investigation is able to release it's information - Lindy - 9/24/2008 1:52:18 AM
  - It could be written now. "Delay and whitewash", a Bush-Cheney Doctrine. - Bowser - 9/24/2008 5:36:29 AM
  - You better hope it's after the election. (n/t) - TB - 9/24/2008 3:14:02 AM

3 Deaths from CO in Houston Area After IKE - carl - 9/15/2008 7:48:49 PM
- (Oddly, your post comes up near the top in google) - ARRELL - 9/24/2008 4:10:30 AM
- re: 3 Deaths from CO in Houston Area After IKE - Angela - 9/23/2008 4:50:13 PM
  - Very sorry to hear that.... - ARRELL - 9/24/2008 4:00:33 AM
  - re: 3 Deaths from CO in Houston Area After IKE - A Mother - 9/24/2008 12:09:17 AM
- Wow. I never would have believed it. - Mary Anne - 9/16/2008 4:29:42 AM
- There were several generator CO deaths in Florida too. - ER - 9/16/2008 12:29:32 AM
- There are other examples of a lack of knowledge of survival stuff. - Bowser - 9/15/2008 8:43:23 PM
  - I've never driven a 4WD vehicle. - ER - 9/16/2008 2:07:51 AM
    - re: I've never driven a 4WD vehicle. - Bowser - 9/16/2008 2:37:08 AM
      - Drove a VOLVO Wagon in Snow - carl - 9/16/2008 4:15:27 PM
        
        Anti-lock brakes have worked wonders. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/16/2008 5:39:03 PM
        
        Traction Control too!!!! - carl; - 9/16/2008 6:46:32 PM

The same folks talking - "Economy is fundamentally sound" and "Economy needs socializing immediately." - Bowser - 9/23/2008 1:07:44 PM
- Yeah it is a crock of SH*T - TAFKASE - 9/24/2008 3:20:29 AM
- re: The same folks talking - "Economy is fundamentally sound" and "Economy needs socializing immediately." - Lindy - 9/23/2008 10:38:25 PM
- Where was all this back when we were talking about single-payer medical care? (n/t) - TB - 9/23/2008 5:11:31 PM
  - re: Where was all this back when we were talking about single-payer medical care? - Lindy - 9/23/2008 10:39:28 PM
    - "Math is hard!" (n/t) - Barbie - 9/24/2008 12:29:44 AM
  - $800 billion for the wealthy and we can't afford universal health care! - Bowser - 9/23/2008 5:25:47 PM
    - You really can't do this, can you? - TB - 9/23/2008 5:39:31 PM
      - I forgot. It's $1.8 trillion. - Bowser - 9/23/2008 8:25:23 PM
- "Financial lobbyists urge speed on bailout" - Bowser - 9/23/2008 1:36:11 PM
  - And limiting bonuses for CEOs of distressed companies derided as Ds "pet items". - Bowser - 9/23/2008 1:41:41 PM
    - It's just a bandaid - Lindy - 9/23/2008 11:00:13 PM

George Dyson reflects on the meltdown - JEKing - 9/23/2008 9:04:55 PM

support Pickens - JEKing - 9/23/2008 8:57:16 PM

Yet another reason to regard McCain as Bush II II - alcaray - 9/23/2008 2:50:42 AM
- So McCain is Bush the fourth? - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 8:41:10 AM
  - Nope...I think that is the sign for *parallel universe* II II (n/t) - Jody - 9/23/2008 8:48:23 PM
  - So I mention presidential priorities and you pretend I spoke of victory in the middle east. - alcaray - 9/23/2008 6:24:45 PM

Is the 700B bailout the financial equivaent of the Iraq war? Shock and awe? (n/t) - Laurie Street - 9/22/2008 4:16:44 PM
- "It would be spectacularly expensive, primarily benefit the very rich, and grant the executive branch unlimited power with no transparency or accountability." - Bowser - 9/23/2008 12:20:46 AM
- This is one issue HZ members on both sides of the isle agree on. - Lee - 9/22/2008 6:49:59 PM
- I Smell PORK!!!! - carl - 9/22/2008 4:23:41 PM
  - The whole thing is pork. All of it. - Bowser - 9/22/2008 5:52:24 PM
    - OINK!!OINK!!OINK!!!! - carl - 9/22/2008 6:10:55 PM
      - So cruel... - McFly - 9/22/2008 8:13:30 PM
        
        SOCIAL SECURITY is SS - carl - 9/23/2008 5:35:58 PM
  - You said it, and by the truckload. Wait for it. (n/t) - TB - 9/22/2008 5:35:59 PM

Palin did not try to ban books, or only want to teach creationism. This is for Frank - REB - 9/22/2008 1:09:15 PM
- Dodging the problem - Fox - 9/22/2008 5:11:55 PM
  - Matter of opinion. - REB - 9/22/2008 5:17:59 PM
    - Matter of Law - Fox - 9/23/2008 5:13:03 PM
- Source - REB - 9/22/2008 1:10:45 PM
  - The Hannity interview. - Bowser - 9/22/2008 2:53:01 PM
    - So an interviewer smiling is bad? - Lee - 9/22/2008 6:58:01 PM

$13 Billion in Iraq Aid Wasted Or Stolen - Jack Herer - 9/23/2008 1:55:18 PM
- re: $13 Billion in Iraq Aid Wasted Or Stolen - Lindy - 9/23/2008 4:48:44 PM

A very educational article - azstrummer - 9/22/2008 5:59:43 PM
- My dear fellow Americans - Minister of Treasury Paulson - 9/23/2008 11:22:12 AM
- Good article. - ER - 9/23/2008 10:20:38 AM
  - re: Gnats & Moral Pygmies, and you say you donâ€™t want to get into that type of confrontations - SteveS - 9/23/2008 2:24:05 PM
  - Keep telling yourself that. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 12:06:13 PM
  - A greed - Lindy - 9/23/2008 11:55:01 AM
- re: A very educational article for the blind maybe - SteveS - 9/23/2008 2:02:46 AM
  - The Democrats goal - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2008 2:44:42 AM
- That's a great article. Thanks, and take care. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/22/2008 9:55:39 PM

Jonathan Haidt: The real difference between liberals and conservatives - JEKing - 9/18/2008 10:55:39 PM
- Very nice...however he forgot to mention one thing... - Jody - 9/20/2008 12:12:19 AM
- "Startle Response Linked to Politics." - Bowser - 9/19/2008 3:31:10 AM
  - The fear factor - Robert - 9/20/2008 6:08:00 PM
    - Oh hockey puck. - Jody - 9/20/2008 10:27:44 PM
      - This is for Robert and "z" as well. - ER - 9/21/2008 2:25:47 AM
        
        It doesn't sound right in Spanish - z - 9/23/2008 5:40:40 AM
        
        re: This is for Robert and "z" as well. - TB - 9/21/2008 4:45:12 AM
        
        So I guess you don't think "linguistic stretch" has much to do with it? - ER - 9/21/2008 11:45:09 AM
    - A few scattered thoughts - TB - 9/20/2008 8:35:09 PM
      - Newton had "vagabonds" instead of hippies. - alcaray - 9/22/2008 6:39:36 AM
        
        One correction - TB - 9/22/2008 5:08:18 PM
        
        re: Newton had "vagabonds" instead of hippies. - ER - 9/22/2008 1:54:03 PM
      - I am in general agreement with your remarks, but - ER - 9/21/2008 3:11:55 AM
        
        I live in interesting times, too. - TB - 9/21/2008 4:27:57 AM
    - Exaggerated startle response can also be caused by non-optimal nutrition. - alcaray - 9/20/2008 8:23:31 PM
    - Whoa... - ER - 9/20/2008 7:07:26 PM
- That was truly remarkable - Robert - 9/19/2008 1:24:35 AM
  - Well, you know how I feel about negotiating with conservatives... - ER - 9/19/2008 1:31:12 AM
- That was superb. - Bowser - 9/19/2008 12:53:13 AM
  - Interesting Bowser... - Jody - 9/20/2008 12:17:33 AM
- Fascinating and insightful, - ER - 9/18/2008 11:33:49 PM
  - Well well ER... - Jody - 9/20/2008 12:35:01 AM
    - C'mon Jody - ER - 9/20/2008 1:03:15 AM
  - You hit the nail on the head. - Lee - 9/19/2008 6:28:03 PM
    - re: You hit the nail on the head. - ER - 9/19/2008 7:10:28 PM
      - So, how have those regulated private businesses been doing, lately? - TB - 9/20/2008 1:50:23 AM
        
        Actually, they're doing quite well. - ER - 9/20/2008 2:10:57 AM
        
        And do you know what their names are, yet? - TB - 9/20/2008 3:45:47 AM
  - re: Fascinating and insightful, - Publius - 9/18/2008 11:53:23 PM
    - That's reassuring - ER - 9/19/2008 12:28:12 AM
      - re: That's reassuring - Publius - 9/22/2008 2:00:55 PM
        
        I graduated from USF in '71 - ER - 9/23/2008 12:53:17 AM

Subpoenas MEAN something -- rule of law at stake - dtb - 9/19/2008 12:44:04 AM
- So they arrest Todd Palin - Eri - 9/19/2008 11:42:00 PM
- Where have you been?! - ARRELL - 9/19/2008 7:37:47 PM
- I'm with you. - alcaray - 9/19/2008 6:02:22 AM
  - document from Palin's attorney - JEKing - 9/19/2008 6:06:50 PM
    - That seems to be one long argument to justify her pressuring Monegan into canning Wooten... - alcaray - 9/19/2008 9:12:47 PM
      - re: That seems to be one long argument to justify her pressuring Monegan into canning Wooten... - JEKing - 9/20/2008 5:08:17 PM
        
        That does not address my point that you can't simultaneously argue (without making intellegent people laugh at you)... - alcaray - 9/20/2008 8:32:10 PM
        
        In Alaska we can't figure out the Palin shenanigans - JEKing - 9/21/2008 1:57:02 AM
        
        I was thinking. - Lee - 9/21/2008 3:10:23 PM
        
        Re: the Governor of Arkansas - Mary Anne - 9/21/2008 7:30:21 PM
        
        Don't forget, he went to Moscow too. - Lee - 9/21/2008 10:18:01 PM
        
        He did go to Moscow, to see the place, not to protest. - Mary Anne - 9/22/2008 1:05:31 AM
        
        And to meet his KGB handler. - Lee - 9/22/2008 3:22:12 AM
        
        re: I was thinking. - JEKing - 9/21/2008 7:14:47 PM
        
        Have you looked at a globe lately? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/21/2008 7:11:10 PM
        
        Are you saying Alaska doesn't border Canada and Russia? (n/t) - Lee - 9/21/2008 10:21:04 PM
        
        I say they don't share a border in the way most people envision a border. - alcaray - 9/21/2008 11:41:43 PM
        
        Lots of money to be had in that cold barren sea. - Lee - 9/22/2008 12:26:25 AM
        
        No doubt there are many dramatic confrontations at sea that can only be solved with a phone call from AK's governor to Putin. - alcaray - 9/22/2008 3:36:41 AM
        
        Who said anything about Putin? - Lee - 9/22/2008 7:01:23 PM
        
        You've heard of the Coast Guard, I bet. - Mary Anne - 9/22/2008 1:25:30 AM
        
        Governors can't negotiate with foreign officials... - Mary Anne - 9/21/2008 6:27:32 PM
        
        I was thinking about... - Lee - 9/21/2008 10:27:04 PM

Powder puff pit bull VP candidate protected from press. - Bowser - 9/22/2008 12:52:57 AM
- She won't be able to intimidate Vladimir Putin, using the folksy stuff she learned at the local hockey rink? - z - 9/22/2008 5:43:53 AM
  - Not as long as Vlad the Impaler is still dating that gymnast. (n/t) - ER - 9/22/2008 10:52:56 AM
    - But I bet she can see his house! - Socrates II - 9/22/2008 5:40:33 PM
- If she can't take the heat... - Eri - 9/22/2008 2:19:02 AM

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