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Are conservatives cruel? "House Panel OKs School Lunch Funding Cut" - Bowser - 10/29/2005 11:51:48 PM
- And for the cognitively challenged... - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2005 1:26:32 AM
  - Thanks Tom (n/t) - McFly - 10/30/2005 11:36:04 PM
    - ps... - McFly - 10/31/2005 12:02:15 AM
- Good grief - Donald - 10/30/2005 12:05:18 AM

Profiting from high oil prices - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2005 10:55:34 PM

What's happening in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2005 10:14:14 PM

An excerpt from a letter by a soldier in Iraq - Alan G. Archer - 10/30/2005 12:36:34 AM
- That justifies any kind of murder, doesn't it. - Bowser - 10/30/2005 4:28:21 AM
  - Get along little doggy... - R.L. - 10/30/2005 5:03:00 AM
- Here is another unrelated number... - R.L. - 10/30/2005 4:24:14 AM
  - Further reading - Alan G. Archer - 10/30/2005 6:05:08 AM
- AGAIN... pointless use of numbers to advance an agenda - R.L. - 10/30/2005 4:21:03 AM
  - He was pointing out an error in someone's assumption - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2005 5:35:59 AM
  - My apologies - Alan G. Archer - 10/30/2005 5:26:41 AM
- Thanks for putting it into perspective - Donald - 10/30/2005 1:43:05 AM
  - No not at all, but lying about a personal sexual relationship is! - Buck Galaxy - 10/30/2005 8:59:16 AM
- Another statistic - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2005 1:06:17 AM
  - You are correct, sir - Alan G. Archer - 10/30/2005 4:55:32 AM

Its about time someone stood up - Donald - 10/27/2005 1:36:58 PM
- All Republicans are not Christians. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/29/2005 4:58:21 AM
- Wrong again - REB - 10/27/2005 2:04:48 PM
  - Look at the actions, not the words. - Bowser - 10/27/2005 5:44:47 PM
    - Yes, please look at the actions. - REB - 10/27/2005 7:21:25 PM
  - Don't know if your community church represents what's known as the Christian Right - alcaray - 10/27/2005 5:22:28 PM
    - re: Don't know if your community church represents what's known as the Christian Right - REB - 10/27/2005 5:34:50 PM
      - Though I am certain that the Christian Right would welcome right-minded Methodists... - alcaray - 10/27/2005 5:51:08 PM
        
        You know what? - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 6:34:08 PM
        
        Well REB seemed to be taking the side of the Christian Right... - alcaray - 10/27/2005 7:46:15 PM
        
        I was offended by Donaldâ€™s broad brush approach to conservative Christians. - REB - 10/27/2005 8:10:18 PM
        
        When people say: "the Christian right" they mean something different... - alcaray - 10/27/2005 8:57:24 PM
        
        Putting labels on people. - REB - 10/27/2005 9:16:22 PM
        
        You named it yourself: Christian conservative - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 9:37:44 PM
        
        Of course, some bring it on themselves - dtb - 10/29/2005 2:07:27 PM
        
        A modest proposal - Fox - 10/28/2005 1:18:32 AM
        
        or this - - Daniel - 10/30/2005 5:51:46 AM
        
        And: Dateline (NBC), tonight, 8 Eastern: "In God They Trust" (n/t) - Fox - 10/28/2005 10:53:16 PM
        
        (which, it turns out, was pretty inconclusive) (n/t) - Fox - 10/30/2005 2:22:36 AM
        
        re: You named it yourself: Christian conservative - REB - 10/27/2005 9:50:51 PM
  - re: Wrong again - LJK - 10/27/2005 2:21:07 PM
    - You really didn't get it in Grade School did you? - Scott Evil - 10/27/2005 2:45:41 PM
      - re: You really didn't get it in Grade School did you? - LJK - 10/27/2005 2:54:40 PM
        
        WOW. You sound like my long lost brother! - Scott Evil - 10/27/2005 3:17:12 PM
    - re: Wrong again - REB - 10/27/2005 2:32:15 PM
      - re: Wrong again - LJK - 10/27/2005 2:37:46 PM
        
        re: Wrong again - REB - 10/27/2005 5:27:04 PM
        
        Trying to tell a teenager to clean up their room and not smoke - LJK - 10/27/2005 5:29:44 PM
        
        My dad and the Jesuits - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 3:19:28 PM
        
        My daughter is going to a Jesuit college - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 4:46:13 PM
        
        My daughter went to a Catholic college, as well. (n/t) - alcaray - 10/27/2005 5:24:06 PM
        
        re: My daughter is going to a Jesuit college - JEKing - 10/27/2005 5:00:48 PM
        
        re: My dad and the Jesuits - LJK - 10/27/2005 3:56:18 PM
        
        My view, as a Christian who is a scientist. - REB - 10/27/2005 3:14:18 PM
        
        re: My view, as a Christian who is a scientist. - LJK - 10/27/2005 4:11:42 PM
        
        And... - REB - 10/27/2005 3:27:35 PM
        
        Everybody Limbo! - LJK - 10/27/2005 5:22:24 PM
        
        My Grammy (the 1/4 German part of me)... - alcaray - 10/27/2005 7:41:52 PM
  - I take you at face value. Let me ask you a question: - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 2:16:58 PM
    - free choice feels good - Daniel - 10/30/2005 5:40:34 AM
    - re: I take you at face value. Let me ask you a question: - Alan G. Archer - 10/28/2005 2:24:27 AM
    - Or maybe "f" - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 3:13:22 PM
    - re: I take you at face value. Let me ask you a question: - REB - 10/27/2005 2:25:26 PM
      - That would seem to be the sensible thing to do. - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 2:36:46 PM
    - There are really not two Ds in my alphabet. - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 2:24:33 PM
      - Don't worry about it. - REB - 10/27/2005 2:33:22 PM

Top Cheney aide Libby indicted, quits post (Guilty plea, and pardon - no trial?) - Bowser - 10/28/2005 9:20:14 PM
- Something I never knew about Karl Rove - Laurie Street - 10/28/2005 10:54:32 PM
  - re: Something I never knew about Karl Rove - Lindy - 10/28/2005 11:54:00 PM
    - Oh really? - FrankC - 10/29/2005 3:37:46 AM
      - re: Oh really? - Lindy - 10/29/2005 8:45:34 PM
        
        In the midst, Lindy. - Bowser - 10/29/2005 11:54:12 PM
        
        Ah, ok.... - R.L. - 10/30/2005 12:50:09 AM
      - Yeah, I googled the term.... - embaRrassed Liberal - 10/29/2005 5:20:12 AM
        
        maybe she was thinking of "Dirty Sanchez" (n/t) - FrankC - 10/29/2005 1:25:30 PM

2,016 - Donald - 10/29/2005 1:37:05 PM
- The standard news story. - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2005 4:42:20 PM
  - A notable exception: ABC News' "Person of the Week" - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2005 7:07:46 PM
    - Not a notable exception - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2005 7:11:14 PM

Is Cheney Next? - Eric - 10/29/2005 12:23:08 PM
- OK, I understand the charge, but I fail to understand....... - Publius - 10/29/2005 7:01:28 PM
- Hard to say, but... - Donald - 10/29/2005 4:35:52 PM

Fear, doubts linger for GOP - Donald - 10/29/2005 2:37:50 PM
- A lot depends on whether Bush picks a dork for his next Supreme Court nominee. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2005 4:28:22 PM
  - Some names - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2005 6:37:34 PM
  - It take one to pick one - Donald - 10/29/2005 4:39:20 PM
    - Is Roberts a dork? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2005 4:43:47 PM
      - We'll soon find out - Donald - 10/29/2005 4:52:38 PM

Almost 10:00AM in Washington...No Indictments... (n/t) - Scott Evil - 10/28/2005 1:51:26 PM
- 1:00PM in Washington...5 Indictments on Libby - Tony - 10/28/2005 5:02:00 PM
  - None so far on outing - Tony - 10/28/2005 5:13:51 PM
    - Here's some spin. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 7:29:08 PM
      - "She deserved exactly what she got. I'm quite happy she was outed because it automatically lowered her potential to damage the US." - Lindy - 10/29/2005 3:10:38 AM
      - OK, so you don't like Plame. I suppose that makes perjury and obstruction acceptable? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 7:33:12 PM
        
        No. It doesn't. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 7:37:57 PM
        
        I'm happy to see you say so. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 7:43:48 PM
        
        Life balances itself. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 7:50:09 PM
        
        Balances paid by check. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 8:12:06 PM
        
        Big picture - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 8:23:06 PM
        
        "They pay in other ways"??? What garbage. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 10:05:22 PM
        
        An example: - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 10:55:59 PM
        
        I was talking BIG picture. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/29/2005 6:34:32 PM
    - re: You won't hear it from me. - Scott Evil - 10/28/2005 5:56:01 PM
    - What spin? - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 5:31:12 PM
      - As a wise man once told me... - alcaray - 10/28/2005 7:27:44 PM
        
        I hope I don't have to hold my breath in the meantime - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 9:05:25 PM
        
        ROFLMAOWSCOOMN - Tony - 10/28/2005 8:51:54 PM
      - Why not? - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 7:17:37 PM
      - re: What spin? - dtb - 10/28/2005 6:24:41 PM
      - Like I said....... - Tony - 10/28/2005 5:41:30 PM
        
        I was wondering about that myself. - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 5:45:32 PM
        
        Anonymity. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 7:28:15 PM
        
        Cuz Off A is still under legal threat... - dtb - 10/28/2005 6:19:33 PM
    - re: None so far on outing - REB - 10/28/2005 5:23:57 PM
      - re: you pretty much nailed it. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 10/28/2005 5:57:19 PM
        
        re: you pretty much nailed it. - REB - 10/28/2005 6:01:03 PM
        
        re: you pretty much nailed it. - REB - 10/28/2005 6:32:21 PM
        
        Yup. Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. (n/t) - Tony - 10/28/2005 7:15:27 PM
        
        Make that... - REB - 10/28/2005 6:05:11 PM
- Gentlemen place your bets - Tony - 10/28/2005 4:18:58 PM
- Keep an eye on Fitzgerald's web site starting now... - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 4:16:59 PM
- Indictments doubtful before ELECTIONS - carl - 10/28/2005 3:39:42 PM
- An announcement is expected by noon that... - Donald - 10/28/2005 2:00:24 PM
  - According to NPR: Fiztgerald press conference @ 2pm EDT - Fox - 10/28/2005 3:21:09 PM
    - Documents at noon (n/t) - Tony - 10/28/2005 3:46:51 PM

On Iraqi civilian deaths. - RobVG - 10/27/2005 12:46:26 AM
- To put it into perspective,... - Alan G. Archer - 10/27/2005 9:18:43 AM
- That number is probably close to correct. - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 12:55:08 AM
  - re: That number is probably close to correct. - Doug Ellison - 10/27/2005 3:53:11 PM
    - Not my decision to make. - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 5:30:59 PM
      - re: Not my decision to make. - Doug Ellison - 10/27/2005 6:06:37 PM
        
        It doesn't work that way. - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 6:29:13 PM
        
        Rising from the grave? - Doug Ellison - 10/27/2005 7:58:13 PM
        
        Sorry... - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 10:02:35 PM
        
        re: Sorry... - Doug Ellison - 10/28/2005 11:37:47 AM
        
        Aerial attacks - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 6:46:47 PM
        
        re: Aerial attacks - Doug Ellison - 10/29/2005 10:00:42 AM
  - Was the Civil War worth it? - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/27/2005 3:16:12 AM
    - We didn't invade ourselves. - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 11:00:04 AM
      - And you shed tears for plantation owners too I betcha. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 6:26:42 PM
        
        Your comparison doesn't hold up. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 10:17:05 PM
      - As a Canadian, I have a problem with your perspectives - SDF - 10/27/2005 12:04:36 PM
        
        As a Brit, I can share their frustration.. - Doug Ellison - 10/28/2005 6:47:35 PM
        
        Spoken like a true Canadian. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 6:35:17 PM
        
        Go back and read HZ posts from Feb to April 2003. (n/t) - et - 10/27/2005 4:40:20 PM
        
        From what I have seen, we don't look bad to the Iraqis. - REB - 10/27/2005 1:53:01 PM
        
        We all look bad: yup. - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 1:17:28 PM
        
        My own position: - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 1:48:52 PM
        
        Splendid post, Mary - Alan G. Archer - 10/28/2005 12:21:27 AM
        
        Were the 90s just something that happend to other people for you? - Sam F. - 10/28/2005 6:17:07 AM
        
        The '90s happend to all of us, unless you are a young child - Alan G. Archer - 10/28/2005 5:05:43 PM
        
        I think you're painting people with that brush who don't deserve it - McFly - 10/27/2005 1:01:19 PM
    - "They use US deaths and Iraqis deaths only to serve their own anti-Bush political agenda." - R.L. - 10/27/2005 7:28:42 AM
    - Interesting question. - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 4:55:39 AM
      - Brilliance and slavery - dtb - 10/27/2005 12:12:03 PM
        
        Brilliance and slavery - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 2:31:49 PM

2,012 - Donaald - 10/29/2005 5:00:05 AM

Fantasyland - E.P., the heretic - 10/29/2005 3:25:00 AM

2000 Oil firms in Iraq kickback scandal - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 6:45:15 PM
- Yada yada, yada... - Lindy - 10/29/2005 12:02:47 AM
  - SInce when have I stood up for oil co. profiteering here? - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/29/2005 1:09:16 AM
- Report was released yesterday. (n/t) - alcaray - 10/28/2005 7:38:58 PM
  - Close enough ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 7:52:58 PM
- re: 2000 Oil firms in Iraq kickback scandal - REB - 10/28/2005 6:48:45 PM
  - And who's watching the money for the re-building effort in New Orleans? (n/t) - Lindy - 10/29/2005 12:03:45 AM
  - It's much bigger than the UN. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 7:05:55 PM
    - "Merchants of suffering and exploitation" - Lindy - 10/29/2005 12:14:42 AM
    - re: It's much bigger than the UN. - Laurie Street - 10/28/2005 11:35:33 PM
      - A Texas oilman - Alan G. Archer - 10/29/2005 1:08:13 AM

Politics in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 9:19:04 PM

The Failure of the Bush Doctrine - Nick Hoffman - 10/28/2005 9:16:51 AM
- re: "The greater disaster in America's Iraq venture would have been something plausibly resembling a quick and decisive success." - Scott Evil - 10/28/2005 1:49:52 PM
  - re: Take away... - Raoul - 10/28/2005 4:37:08 PM
    - Fantasies - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 5:40:49 PM
      - re: Military force does indeed not solve such problems - Raoul - 10/28/2005 7:31:18 PM
        
        That is really funny. - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 8:58:45 PM
        
        Why didn't you tell us that in 1917 & 1941? - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 8:01:09 PM
  - gee I must be missing something here .. - Daniel - 10/28/2005 2:02:36 PM
- Thanks Nick - Donald - 10/28/2005 12:43:55 PM
  - Maanwhile: 2,008 - Donald - 10/28/2005 1:09:59 PM
    - But what do they LOOK LIKE? - Lindy - 10/28/2005 6:30:47 PM

Quagmire "With the death toll at 2,000 - - - " - 'Neither victory nor exit strategy for Iraq in sight ' - Bowser - 10/25/2005 11:38:02 PM
- Actually any eventuality could be a victory - Lee - 10/26/2005 9:27:49 AM
  - Is this a cry of concern because things aren't going well over there? - Lindy - 10/26/2005 5:40:03 PM
    - But in a free society, I can say what's on my mind. - Lee - 10/26/2005 7:10:12 PM
      - Yes you can. - Mary Anne - 10/26/2005 7:16:22 PM
  - "Well, it's just a thought." Is that what you call it? - Mary Anne - 10/26/2005 3:44:43 PM
    - Valuable? - Lee - 10/26/2005 7:17:34 PM
      - Have you even looked at a map lately? - Mary Anne - 10/26/2005 8:15:07 PM
        
        Looks like mostly sand to me. - Lee - 10/27/2005 5:46:50 AM
        
        It would. Your habit of judging by surface appearance predicts that. - Mary Anne - 10/27/2005 11:11:37 AM
        
        The most crucial trade routes are sea routes. - Lee - 10/27/2005 6:42:54 PM
        
        All they need is a few ships, and then to sink them. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2005 6:50:11 PM
  - "If we play our cards right, not a single mosque would be left standing from Morocco to Malaysia." (n/t) - Bowser - 10/26/2005 1:42:41 PM
- Gen. Casey spoke to Congress on Sept. 29, 2005 (n/t) - Alan G. Archer - 10/26/2005 12:05:52 AM

So, they outed her and lied. Let's see the spin. And can the smear be far behind? - Bowser - 10/28/2005 5:44:46 PM
- Rove's not out of the woods yet. - Lindy - 10/28/2005 6:22:14 PM

great and humane Iranian leader kindly explains his nuclear ambtions to rest of world - Daniel - 10/27/2005 3:00:51 PM
- re: great and humane Iranian leader kindly explains his nuclear ambtions to rest of world - JEKing - 10/27/2005 4:56:25 PM
  - Rafsanjani would not have been an improvement. - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 5:09:54 PM
    - re: Rafsanjani would not have been an improvement. - JEKing - 10/27/2005 6:30:22 PM
      - "Political theater" - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 9:50:37 PM
        
        re: "Political theater" - JEKing - 10/28/2005 1:43:42 AM
        
        re: "Political theater" - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 4:03:09 AM
        
        re: "Political theater" - JEKing - 10/28/2005 4:04:08 PM
        
        brinkmanship? hard to understand - Daniel - 10/28/2005 2:33:43 AM
        
        re: brinkmanship? hard to understand - JEKing - 10/28/2005 5:23:45 PM

After GREEK Hurricane names, What's Next? - carl - 10/28/2005 3:26:09 PM
- Not to worry - Fox - 10/28/2005 3:55:24 PM
  - How about televangelists and Norse gods? (n/t) - Alan G. Archer - 10/28/2005 4:48:33 PM
  - Nope, Hurricane WHISKEY - carl - 10/28/2005 4:44:33 PM

Soldiers Lost in Iraq Top Those Lost in First Four Years in Vietnam - Donald - 10/25/2005 1:04:31 AM
- Irrelavent and dumb comparison (n/t) - R.L. - 10/25/2005 4:01:08 PM
  - I'm gonna play it straight. - Bowser - 10/25/2005 7:55:32 PM
    - Not gonna address the points, are you...? (n/t) - R.L. - 10/28/2005 9:53:46 AM
    - Oh, that WOULD be refreshing - R.L. - 10/26/2005 5:26:39 AM
      - I see - Those were Vietnamese, and these are Iraqis. Makes it different. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/26/2005 1:41:23 PM
        
        Answer the points or admit you havent a leg to stand on Makes it different. - R.L. - 10/27/2005 8:13:02 AM
        
        Did you even read my post? - R.L. - 10/26/2005 5:19:53 PM
        
        Either Wooooosh, or you are deliberately missing the point. (n/t) - Tony - 10/26/2005 2:29:08 PM
        
        You found one? (n/t) - Bowser - 10/26/2005 3:05:55 PM
        
        Da point, just for you - Tony - 10/26/2005 6:57:54 PM
        
        If yer goin' to haul his water, - - - - Bowser - 10/27/2005 12:05:40 AM
        
        OH, PLEASE!!! - R.L. - 10/27/2005 6:07:10 AM
- Another load, I'm afraid. - Tom Brosz - 10/25/2005 1:52:30 AM
  - Perhaps you should... - Donald - 10/25/2005 2:14:57 AM
    - Correction, only leftwingers looking for a political victory think it was a "terrific" mistake. (n/t) - Lee - 10/25/2005 6:02:24 AM
    - You don't get it. You don't have a point. - Tom Brosz - 10/25/2005 3:38:10 AM
      - "All those numbers were meaningless - - - " - Bowser - 10/25/2005 4:34:41 AM
        
        Bowser, the numbers in the article were wrong. - Tom Brosz - 10/25/2005 2:34:35 PM
    - Baloney - Mark Eby - 10/25/2005 2:49:10 AM
      - Bias - Donald - 10/25/2005 12:59:41 PM
        
        No You're Biased Because You'll Spout BS - ID - 10/25/2005 4:39:11 PM
      - Compare apples and apples. - Bowser - 10/25/2005 4:39:41 AM

Memory lane with Miers.... - R.L. - 10/27/2005 5:59:03 PM
- re: Memory lane with Miers.... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/28/2005 9:47:15 AM
- We also endured some threads a few weeks ago... - alcaray - 10/27/2005 10:52:43 PM
- re: Memory lane with Miers.... - R.L. - 10/27/2005 6:14:11 PM
- You forgot a couple... - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 6:07:24 PM
  - Nope... - R.L. - 10/27/2005 6:09:59 PM
- re: Memory lane with Miers.... - R.L. - 10/27/2005 6:04:21 PM
  - Thanks, in hindsight that really was a pretty good post. - Scott Evil - 10/27/2005 9:01:26 PM
    - If you make stupid callous and gleeful proclamations... - R.L. - 10/28/2005 1:37:00 AM
    - Seems like you don't like to have your nose rubbed in it. (n/t) - Eri - 10/28/2005 1:22:27 AM
    - It is all good - alcaray - 10/27/2005 10:39:43 PM

Multilateral pressure on Syria - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 3:46:54 AM

Profile of an insurgent - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2005 2:12:16 AM

IIC (Volker Committee) Report is out - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 6:00:53 PM
- What no comment? - Scott Evil - 10/27/2005 9:05:16 PM
  - Get serious! - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2005 9:45:09 PM

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