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Dean's 1995 letter to Clinton on Bosnia - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 5:05:52 PM
- Most interesting...thanks, Tom (n/t) - McFly - 1/14/2004 9:54:05 PM
- You know, - FrankC - 1/14/2004 6:38:20 PM

Saddam out of business, Palestinian terrorists running out of money - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 5:22:21 AM
- But, but, but there is no connection between saddam and terrorists.... (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/14/2004 1:09:20 PM
  - re: Indeed - Raoul - 1/14/2004 5:37:20 PM
    - re: Indeed - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 7:17:14 PM
      - Still, the number of attacks against Israelis has diminished considerably in the past few months.Part is due to the lack of funds, part is due to increased vigilance by the Israelis. Whatever the cau… - David F Mayer - 1/14/2004 9:52:54 PM

The Left discovers "national sovereignity." - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 9:16:41 PM
- re: The Left discovers "national sovereignity." - McFly - 1/12/2004 3:42:36 PM
  - re: national sovereignity. - Raoul - 1/12/2004 5:51:23 PM
    - How did you feel about apartheid? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 4:12:39 AM
      - re: How did you feel about apartheid? - Raoul - 1/13/2004 6:56:40 AM
  - re: The Left discovers "national sovereignity." - Davin L. - 1/12/2004 5:45:13 PM
    - Some comments - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 8:32:12 PM
      - Crap like your post is why this place has turned into a litterbox. - Davin L. - 1/13/2004 6:00:59 AM
        
        P.S. re: O'Neil - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:08:22 PM
        
        re: Crap like your post - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:05:18 PM
        
        re: Crap like your post - Davin L. - 1/13/2004 11:02:06 PM
        
        I still got some crap left... - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 12:09:28 AM
        
        re: Religious power - Raoul - 1/14/2004 7:00:01 PM
        
        Yes, you are right - Davin L. - 1/14/2004 2:22:11 PM
        
        Davin - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 2:31:52 PM
        
        The last person on earth who has a place to criticize ANYONE is you, ed - Davin L. - 1/13/2004 4:35:08 PM
        
        If you are so easily wounded - ebnelson - 1/14/2004 3:40:07 AM
        
        Yeah, Ed, I'll get riiight on that. (n/t) - Davin L. - 1/14/2004 4:04:11 AM
    - Thanks Davin and Raoul - McFly - 1/12/2004 7:08:59 PM
      - "what about Afghanistan?" - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 8:35:59 PM
      - re: Afghanistan and nations - Raoul - 1/12/2004 7:51:21 PM
      - Larry J sums it up - McFly - 1/12/2004 7:50:05 PM
        
        And my reply - Mary Anne - 1/13/2004 4:48:52 PM
        
        So what you are saying is - Davin L. - 1/12/2004 8:12:46 PM
        
        re: So what you are saying is - gbaikie - 1/12/2004 10:24:44 PM
        
        You're free to view the world however you want, ... - Larry J - 1/12/2004 8:42:15 PM
        
        A lost cause, I think - Davin l. - 1/13/2004 6:13:54 AM
        
        Nutcases - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:11:56 PM
        
        ZING! goes the point by your head - Davin L. - 1/14/2004 2:18:54 PM
        
        Oh, I got it all right. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 7:42:16 PM
        
        or maybe you can go back and read the whole point of the thread? - Gee, What a concept! - 1/14/2004 7:51:13 PM
        
        absolutely - McFly - 1/12/2004 9:52:09 PM
        
        re: absolutely - Davin L. - 1/13/2004 6:36:05 AM
        
        Just an aside... - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:19:12 PM
        
        re: absolutely - Davin L. - 1/13/2004 5:41:51 PM
        
        Survival instincts - Larry J - 1/12/2004 10:44:51 PM
- Gee, Tom... - Fox - 1/12/2004 2:15:53 AM
- The Right can go to hell. - Mary Anne - 1/11/2004 11:20:43 PM
  - Don't get me wrong: I hate the right as much as the left. - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 11:39:20 PM
    - Sorta like the men as much as the women...... (n/t) - It's okay but REALLY where do you stand? - 1/12/2004 6:54:33 AM
      - There's this place called the center... - SDG - 1/12/2004 8:46:02 PM
        
        Ain't it the truth... - Fox - 1/12/2004 9:27:10 PM
- I didn't seem to hear much about it when the Communists were subverting governments all over the world.Then the liberal battle cry was "The rights of the people". (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 11:16:21 PM

Another article on Iraq. This one from Germany - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 7:27:13 PM

The double standard in Britain - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 12:45:59 AM
- and not just in the UK - phil - 1/14/2004 4:58:50 PM

Courage in Iran - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 4:09:51 AM
- And success in the United Arab Emirates - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 6:29:37 AM
  - re: And success in the United Arab Emirates - Hans - 1/13/2004 7:15:22 AM
    - re: And success in the United Arab Emirates - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 8:19:26 PM
      - re: And success in the United Arab Emirates - Hans - 1/14/2004 6:03:05 AM

Think Tank: U.S. Overstated Iraqi Threat - Donald - 1/9/2004 3:31:14 AM
- re: U.S. Overstated Iraqi Threat - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 7:57:34 PM
  - Clinton and Iraq - S - 1/9/2004 8:49:11 PM
    - Does that 'sacred right' trump our national safety? - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 1:47:29 PM
      - It certainly doesn't threaten it - S - 1/13/2004 9:43:31 PM
        
        Ah. Mossad again. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 5:02:40 AM
    - Hello 911 - Mark Eby - 1/10/2004 4:47:07 AM
      - re: Hello 911 - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2004 9:13:41 PM
        
        As Guilty As Davin Tom - Mark Eby - 1/11/2004 9:45:35 PM
      - Great jingoistic propaganda! - Davin L. - 1/10/2004 6:29:19 PM
        
        YGTBK - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 1:48:43 PM
    - P.S. - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 9:11:28 PM
    - "Self-determination?" Are you serious?? - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 9:04:45 PM
      - re: And are you serious? - Raoul - 1/9/2004 9:53:18 PM
        
        You wrote: "International law doesn't care what's going on inside a country, as long as it doesn't interfere with other countries." My anwswer: Then International Law in its current form is immoral a… - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 3:26:12 PM
        
        So you don't believe in national sovereignty? - Mary Anne - 1/11/2004 5:49:44 PM
        
        Yes, I really like being lectured on the cruelty of capital punishment by such gentle countries as Germany, which has always treated all minorities with respect. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 5:56:30 PM
        
        re: Send some time with them, it helps - Raoul - 1/11/2004 7:09:26 PM
        
        60 years ago? How about telling that to those leftists who talk like I personally wiped out the Indians with smallpox? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 8:48:55 PM
        
        re: I'm a leftist but do I talk like that? - Raoul - 1/11/2004 10:26:59 PM
        
        re: I'm a leftist but do I talk like that? - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 2:15:42 AM
        
        There are a lot of people that like tunafish, too - Davin L. - 1/12/2004 4:18:38 AM
        
        Real leftists don't eat tuna - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 5:54:38 AM
        
        but your whole leftist thing is, um, a red herring - Davin L. - 1/12/2004 6:37:08 AM
        
        Uh...please note the subject line right under this one. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 7:26:09 AM
        
        I see, so you think Mary Anne is 'that leftist'? - Davin L. - 1/12/2004 4:03:23 PM
        
        See you at Flame, jackass (n/t) - Mary Anne - 1/12/2004 3:05:49 PM
        
        I'm sure the Germans likewise appreciate Americans scolding them about genocide, since we have an outstanding background with our Native nations. - Mary Anne - 1/11/2004 6:17:09 PM
        
        re: International law is IN-TER-NA-TIO-NAL ! - Raoul - 1/11/2004 3:46:39 PM
        
        Bullshit. The International was created by despots for the purpose of preserving their tyrannies from interference. - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 5:54:25 PM
        
        re: You can't help your case by being rude - Raoul - 1/11/2004 7:21:59 PM
        
        My apology for using expletives. They don't help my case. - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 11:10:26 PM
        
        So why did NATO bombard Eastern Europe? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2004 12:29:00 AM
        
        re: NATO is not UN - Raoul - 1/10/2004 10:44:42 AM
        
        re: And are you serious? - McFly - 1/9/2004 10:29:38 PM
        
        re: Not Pacifism, but Humiliation - Raoul - 1/10/2004 10:54:29 AM
        
        You seem to be overlooking... - S - 1/9/2004 11:33:46 PM
        
        Speaking of perspective... - Fox - 1/11/2004 5:48:00 AM
        
        re: You seem to be overlooking... - McFly - 1/10/2004 11:08:03 PM
        
        Footnote -- Jewish boycott of German goods - S - 1/10/2004 9:02:48 PM
        
        Sehr interessant - vielen Dank! - Fox - 1/10/2004 11:49:53 PM
        
        re: Footnote -- Jewish boycott of German goods - McFly - 1/10/2004 11:32:00 PM
        
        Pacifism, aggression and forgiveness - Mary Anne - 1/11/2004 6:13:19 PM
        
        re: Pacifism, aggression and forgiveness - McFly - 1/12/2004 1:42:38 AM
        
        re: Pacifism, aggression and forgiveness - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 9:04:05 PM
        
        Tell it to Martin Luther King. - Mary Anne - 1/11/2004 9:08:39 PM
        
        re: Tell it to Martin Luther King. - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 9:22:12 PM
        
        So let me get this straight: you think Hitler's rise to power was a *good* thing because he saved Western Europe from Stalin? - Mary Anne - 1/11/2004 9:37:41 PM
        
        re: get this straight - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 2:05:40 AM
        
        If you want your children to live in a world where ... - Mary Anne - 1/12/2004 12:08:00 PM
        
        Not "preferred." What works. They aren't always the same thing. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 10:27:52 PM
        
        There's a real difference between the world as we'd like it to be and the world as it is - Larry J - 1/12/2004 6:59:45 PM
        
        re:write There's a real difference . . . - Mary Anne - 1/13/2004 3:36:01 PM
        
        Tom will choke if you stuff any more words into his mouth! How the heck did you draw that out of his post? (n/t) - McFly - 1/12/2004 1:27:20 AM
        
        And I quote: - Mary Anne - 1/12/2004 12:03:32 PM
        
        You've stretched this one past the breaking point, MA...that's not like you (n/t) - McFly - 1/12/2004 2:27:04 PM
        
        Hanging out here has had a very bad effect on me. - Mary Anne - 1/12/2004 2:51:40 PM
        
        ohh noo - Betsy - 1/13/2004 3:27:16 AM
        
        I know what you mean - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 12:49:00 AM
        
        Impersonal and polite - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/12/2004 4:19:54 PM
        
        And you've got to admit that the use of the words "self-determination" in any reference to Saddam's Iraq is a total absurdity. (n/t) - McFly - 1/9/2004 10:35:23 PM
        
        OK - then call it by its other name: "national sovereignty" - Fox - 1/11/2004 5:52:02 AM
        
        Nations have no rights: only people have rights (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 3:29:59 PM
        
        re: Certainly Not! - Raoul - 1/11/2004 7:33:56 PM
        
        The idea that states have "rights" is one thing that separates European thinking from American. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 9:09:26 PM
        
        re: Examples and Thomas Jefferson - Raoul - 1/11/2004 10:37:34 PM
        
        re: Thomas Jefferson - Fox - 1/12/2004 1:30:51 AM
        
        And by the way, Jefferson wasn't all that consistent either. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 2:25:48 AM
        
        And how about Abraham Lincoln? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 2:20:06 AM
        
        re: 2003-2004 isn't 1990-1991 (n/t) - Raoul - 1/10/2004 10:56:24 AM
- Powell on the the 'Think Tank' and other peanut gallery spectators: - ebnelson - 1/9/2004 1:16:39 PM
- re: Think Tank - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 4:31:43 AM
  - the Bush administration clearly stated it was an imminent threat - Greg - 1/9/2004 1:38:39 PM
    - That's precisely the point - Donald - 1/9/2004 3:34:20 PM
  - re: Think Tank - Donald - 1/9/2004 5:03:40 AM
  - Ouch. Report is 111 pages long. - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 4:41:36 AM
- Meanwhile: US withdraws Iraq weapons team - Donald - 1/9/2004 3:51:00 AM
  - Powell Admits No Al Qaeda-Iraq Links - Donald - 1/9/2004 4:07:08 AM

Home of the brave, - land of the free - 1/14/2004 4:15:51 AM

Article on Iraq in Atlantic magazine - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 6:40:23 PM
- re: Article on Iraq in Atlantic magazine - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2004 4:00:59 AM

Jimmy Carter to endorse Dr. Kervorkian for dem nomination - ebnelson - 1/14/2004 3:45:36 AM

O'Niel learns how to do the backstroke - Larry J - 1/13/2004 9:57:09 PM
- Suskind apparently let his prejudice severely distort the story - ebnelson - 1/14/2004 3:27:30 AM

Moveon.org broadcasting its award ceremony - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 1:31:42 AM
- Oops...apparently a few people were taking notes. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 11:47:50 PM

American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush - Greg - 1/13/2004 11:19:06 AM
- Change the name to Kennedy and you can ask the same questions - Larry J - 1/13/2004 2:59:54 PM
  - so you agree it's bad to vote for a Bush as well as a Kennedy (n/t) - Greg - 1/13/2004 4:29:26 PM
    - I don't see America having royal families - Larry J - 1/13/2004 6:28:57 PM
      - How about Howard "we never treated the servants like servants" Dean? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:54:03 PM
        
        Dean reminds me of the lyrics to an old Billy Joel song... - Larry J - 1/13/2004 11:01:14 PM
- Perhaps you don't get it because you are confusing fiction such as Phillip's or Michael Moore's with reality (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 1:43:33 PM

Reconstruction - Raoul - 1/13/2004 5:26:38 PM
- re: Reconstruction - Larry J - 1/13/2004 9:43:28 PM

You're being labeled GREEN, YELLOW OR RED by the gov. - Nick - 1/12/2004 5:08:50 PM
- It's not easy being green...not with all the yellows and reds trying to kill you... (n/t) - McFly - 1/12/2004 6:17:43 PM
  - re: I'm sure you're right, Kermit:-) (n/t) - Raoul - 1/12/2004 7:28:51 PM
    - Do you think the terrorists would use planes again? - Lindy - 1/12/2004 11:27:32 PM
      - That is so cruel! - McFly - 1/13/2004 2:49:25 PM
      - re: Do you think the terrorists would use planes again? - Raoul - 1/13/2004 6:50:54 AM
        
        Planes and boats and balloons and... - Jacob Samorodin - 1/13/2004 3:40:30 PM
        
        re: HST - Raoul - 1/13/2004 5:33:37 PM

Vicente Fox: "They like tacos!" - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 5:52:20 AM

Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill: Bush Administration began making plans for an invasion of Iraq, including the use of American troops, within days of President Bush's inauguration in January of 2001 - Nick - 1/11/2004 1:52:10 AM
- Sloppy research on CBS's part... - Larry J - 1/12/2004 7:37:02 PM
  - Not sloppy, just cynical - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 1:52:35 AM
- What O'Neil is apparently too stupid to realize... - Larry J - 1/12/2004 3:26:00 PM
- O'Neill is going to crash and burn big time on this. (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/11/2004 4:37:59 PM
- re: making plans for an invasion of Iraq in January of 2001 - Raoul - 1/11/2004 10:23:41 AM
- Sure took Paul a long time to bring this up... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 3:05:02 AM
- It was all one well conceived lie - Donald - 1/11/2004 2:25:23 AM
  - No, your lie is poorly conceived - ebnelson - 1/11/2004 4:55:14 PM
    - Read my lips.....NO WMD's or Al Queda connections (n/t) - Where have you been? - 1/11/2004 7:54:05 PM
      - At least none you're willing to pay attention to. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 8:40:57 PM
        
        Thepoint of Don's posing has been to be able to ignore all evidence and to pretend this was invented whole cloth by Pres. Bush - ebnelson - 1/11/2004 10:08:23 PM
        
        Ed.....WHERE is the evidence? You're beginning to sound like a ...... (n/t) - Broken Record - 1/12/2004 7:35:03 AM
        
        Your eyes are wide shut and it is not my problem - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 1:49:46 AM
- A damn good thing, too. Otherwise it would not have come off as well as it did. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 2:05:59 AM

The Emperor has no clothes - ebnelson - 1/12/2004 1:58:31 PM
- I lived there for a year - FrankC - 1/12/2004 6:41:49 PM
  - But he knows is sensitive to bubbas with confederate flags in their rear windows - ebnelson - 1/13/2004 1:46:48 AM
  - It was a cheap shot. How many Asians does Al Sharpton have working for him? - Ann Liberal - 1/12/2004 10:45:28 PM
  - Again, on Dean's behalf...(yech) - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 7:12:25 PM
    - How can Dean be held responsible... - FrankC - 1/12/2004 7:49:26 PM
      - Sharpton - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 8:40:55 PM
        
        Dean could make the whole issue go away by announcing that several African Americans are amoung his short list for VP... - Scott Evil - 1/12/2004 10:54:33 PM
- To be fair to Dean... - Jacob Samorodin - 1/12/2004 3:32:13 PM
  - re: To be fair to Dean... - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 7:05:58 PM
  - you are correct - Davin L. - 1/12/2004 4:54:57 PM
  - I think Sharpton's claim... - Larry J - 1/12/2004 3:52:16 PM

Army War College Report Rips Bush On Iraq - Donald - 1/12/2004 1:04:42 PM
- More - War College says "unnecessary", "unfocussed". - Folly Fighter - 1/12/2004 5:02:21 PM
  - All intelligence estimates pointed to an urgent threat - McFly - 1/12/2004 7:57:24 PM
    - Not Really - S - 1/12/2004 11:02:52 PM
      - re: Really - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 11:18:03 PM
      - Yes, really - Larry J - 1/12/2004 11:11:03 PM
        
        He was wrong - S - 1/13/2004 12:03:00 AM
        
        Mossad, eh? - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 12:18:31 AM
        
        It's all part of the great neocon conspiracy, don't you know? - Larry J - 1/13/2004 1:02:08 AM

Hey, some of my favorite people are French! - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 12:53:48 AM

Has anyone noticed ... ? - David F Mayer - 1/12/2004 12:05:23 AM
- its the barrier/wall (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 1/12/2004 3:06:15 AM
  - re: its the barrier/wall: Could be. It is not completed yet, but the cracks are growing smaller with each day. (n/t) - DFM - 1/12/2004 3:56:47 PM
    - Palestinian terrorists are regrouping for Jihad in Iraq - Just a guess - 1/12/2004 11:35:18 PM

A little bit more on those gas shells... - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 7:23:29 AM
- re: And, just a little bit more... - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 9:28:07 PM
- I don't think this is significant - Gary - 1/12/2004 5:01:15 PM
  - 'We know that Saddam made extensive use of chemical weapons against the Iranians and then latter against his own people' - Thanks for pointing that out - 1/12/2004 11:29:42 PM
  - You wrote: "If we're to believe Debka (not recommended)" - David F Mayer - 1/12/2004 8:43:33 PM
  - P.S. DEBKA - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 7:48:57 PM
  - re: significant - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 7:28:36 PM
    - Most likely the shells contain poison. But explosives can be liquid. If Iraq were desperate enough, it might have used ANFO (Ammonium NItrate Fuel Oil) or similar slurry. Highly doubtful, but possibl… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/12/2004 8:47:12 PM
- Ali is just a plant for the Bush Admin. - ebnelson - 1/12/2004 1:53:33 PM

A commentary on Bush's foreign policy - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 10:21:06 PM

The Syria WMD link - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2004 9:42:16 PM

Iraq's Arsenal Was Only on Paper - Donald - 1/8/2004 3:23:49 PM
- Frankly, I find it hard to believe that all of Saddam Hussein's posturing with the weapons inspectors was for show. - David F Mayer - 1/9/2004 12:09:46 AM
- Misleading headline, and not the real point of the article. - Tom Brosz - 1/8/2004 6:50:57 PM
  - re: Nuclear weapons - Raoul - 1/8/2004 9:02:48 PM
  - Nonsense - S - 1/8/2004 7:14:24 PM
    - re: Nonsense - McFly - 1/8/2004 9:34:25 PM
      - UN inspectors, mass graves - S - 1/8/2004 10:07:31 PM
        
        Hate to bust your bubble yet again... - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 2:10:15 AM
        
        Thanks to you too, Tom (n/t) - McFly - 1/9/2004 3:15:17 PM
        
        Thanks S...printed a bunch of stuff from your links to read tonight (n/t) - McFly - 1/8/2004 10:36:58 PM
    - "The Lie Factory" - S - 1/8/2004 9:25:41 PM
    - And this... - S - 1/8/2004 9:21:50 PM
      - What the CEIP used to think... - Tom - 1/9/2004 2:25:40 AM
        
        Small link problem - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2004 12:37:56 AM
        
        Nice try - S - 1/9/2004 7:38:40 PM
        
        How would you know it was a nice try? - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 9:32:47 PM
        
        re: How would you know? - S - 1/9/2004 11:12:15 PM
        
        re: How would you know?...actually.. - Betsy - 1/10/2004 7:59:45 PM
        
        re: Nothing new - S - 1/12/2004 6:08:44 PM
        
        "And who will tell the people.......?" - Lindy - 1/10/2004 9:21:46 AM
        
        "And who will tell the people.......?" - Lindy - 1/10/2004 9:21:24 AM
        
        Bush convinced the CEIP? - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2004 12:32:46 AM
        
        Interesting document found while browsing CEIP site - Tom Brosz - 1/9/2004 2:58:21 AM
- Meanwhile: 8 Die in U.S. Copter Crash in Iraq - Donald - 1/8/2004 3:28:13 PM

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