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Red Cross donations through Amazon - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 7:32:09 AM
- Direct link and a challenge - Larry J - 12/29/2004 4:05:25 PM
  - Another note on donations... - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 11:01:25 PM
  - The U.N. guy took back the "stingy" remark. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 7:44:30 PM
    - He said he was misintrepreted - Larry J - 12/29/2004 8:24:56 PM
      - He said that people are still living in tents in Bam, which is true. - Mary Anne - 12/29/2004 11:43:11 PM
        
        There can also be a backlash - Larry J - 12/30/2004 1:49:48 AM
        
        Suppose he doesn't care if it goes through the UN or the Red Cross... - Mary Anne - 12/30/2004 3:55:27 AM
        
        I don't give him that much credit - Larry J - 12/30/2004 8:21:01 PM
  - re: Direct link and a challenge - SteveS - 12/29/2004 5:36:50 PM
  - re: 6 o clock news - Raoul - 12/29/2004 5:23:42 PM
    - Glad to hear it - Larry J - 12/29/2004 7:37:00 PM
    - For a country the size of France, that is very generous - ebnelson - 12/29/2004 6:30:18 PM
- re: Red Cross donations through Amazon - p - 12/29/2004 2:36:57 PM

400,000+ - Eric - 12/30/2004 7:52:49 PM

And there are over 1,000 German tourists 'missing' in the Indian Ocean area. - jACOB sAMORODIN - 12/30/2004 4:52:22 PM
- The video record grows - McFly - 12/30/2004 7:22:11 PM

Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 7:06:06 PM
- Lotsa people were wrong - McFly - 12/30/2004 2:37:59 PM
  - Reality Check - Mark Eby - 12/30/2004 6:36:13 PM
  - re: Lotsa people were wrong - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2004 6:26:43 PM
- Those are the ones Reagan, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush the First gave him. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/29/2004 8:20:52 PM
  - True Or Not - Mark Eby - 12/30/2004 1:36:33 AM
  - But ya know that ain't true. But man, you wish it were. - ebnelson - 12/29/2004 8:57:33 PM
- Bu...Bu...Bu...But mommy! They did it too! - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 7:53:55 PM
  - Missed the point by a mile. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 8:21:44 PM
    - No, I think I am fully aware of what you are trying to say- and its still worthless verbiage. - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 8:41:17 PM
      - Links - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 9:10:48 PM
        
        Like I said - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 9:15:01 PM
        
        You keep switching tracks. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 9:50:52 PM
        
        Well then show me where I did. Thought not.... - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 11:07:24 PM
        
        Alternatives - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 11:25:58 PM
        
        P.S. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 9:13:08 PM
        
        okay Tom. You're starting to sound like Lindy - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 9:19:36 PM

AP continues its war against US interests - p - 12/29/2004 1:50:03 PM
- Press censorship in war is apparently the only thing that works. - ebnelson - 12/29/2004 3:51:15 PM
  - Soldiers were also censored in the past. - Mary Anne - 12/29/2004 11:16:38 PM
    - In retrospect, a very good thing. (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/30/2004 4:11:54 PM
    - Photos on line - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2004 12:29:11 AM
      - Thanks for the advice :) - Mary Anne - 12/30/2004 3:43:46 AM
        
        Motivation - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2004 4:41:22 AM
- Doesn't occur to neocons that maybe it shouldn't have happened? - Bowser - 12/29/2004 2:44:21 PM
  - Doesn't it occur to you that identification of forces to the enemy in time of war is treason? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 5:11:47 PM
    - Neocon paranoia - "Every Home-town Newspaper in the US Guilty of Treason" (n/t) - Bowser - 12/29/2004 8:31:47 PM
    - Where is there a declared war? Besides the "War on Drugs". - Bowser - 12/29/2004 8:25:22 PM
    - Then don't take pictures of yourself and post them on the web or put them in unsecure areas. - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 5:43:20 PM
      - Davin's got a point... - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 7:46:54 PM
        
        re: Davin's got a point... Yes he does - p - 12/29/2004 7:51:43 PM
        
        Careful - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 7:57:00 PM
        
        Give me a break - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 8:01:37 PM
        
        Gee, didn't know you were working for the media. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 8:33:52 PM
        
        Calley sold a lot of papers and generated a lot of clicks. That's what the media loves. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/30/2004 6:09:21 PM
        
        remember Tom... - FrankC - 12/29/2004 8:47:42 PM
        
        re: remember Tom... - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 8:52:39 PM

My blog: This Indian Ocean disaster has become quite personal. - Jacob Samorodin - 12/30/2004 4:46:17 PM

1,330 - Donald - 12/30/2004 4:23:03 PM

More tsunami footage - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 9:51:27 PM
- Good Lord... - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 3:18:57 AM
  - The same thing has happened in Hawaii in the past (The city of Hilo, I believe was struck in the early 1900's) - Scott Evil - 12/29/2004 2:48:23 PM
    - 1946 was the worst- but 1960 was bad too- - R.L. - 12/30/2004 5:42:31 AM
  - Where were the adults? - Gary - 12/29/2004 7:49:25 AM
    - Second wave was a surprise. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 7:51:20 PM
    - Tsaunamis are rare events (thank goodness)... - Larry J - 12/29/2004 4:09:46 PM
      - Maybe it's a Californian thing.... - Gary - 12/29/2004 4:19:00 PM
        
        re: Maybe it's a Californian thing.... - Larry J - 12/29/2004 7:42:01 PM
- re: More info - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 3:12:52 AM
- Can We Trust You? - Mark Eby - 12/29/2004 1:34:54 AM
- Can We Trust You? - Mark Eby - 12/29/2004 1:34:46 AM
  - You can trust me, but you're on your own for anything I link to. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 2:16:09 AM
- Chilling- as for 'running like hell'.... - R.L. - 12/29/2004 12:28:27 AM
  - Amazing to watch something like that...... - Lindy - 12/29/2004 6:52:08 PM
    - Edgar Cayce - blithering idiot (n/t) - p - 12/29/2004 11:33:07 PM
    - I think the Ring of Fire always has a lot of yellow on that map. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 7:54:18 PM
      - "And it burns, burns, burns . . . " (n/t) - The Man in Black (Fox) - 12/30/2004 3:14:52 AM
    - Link - Lindy - 12/29/2004 6:54:13 PM
  - re: Chilling - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 12:44:27 AM
    - If you visited Hilo... - R.L. - 12/29/2004 12:57:34 AM

Tsunami Animation - Eric - 12/30/2004 5:24:00 AM

100,000 and rising - Larry J - 12/29/2004 8:41:14 PM
- Kenya reacts rapidly, saves lives. - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2004 12:20:20 AM
  - Here's the time line from NOAA - SteveS - 12/30/2004 2:09:59 AM

Is it now time to invade Cuba? - Publius - 12/28/2004 11:26:28 PM
- Communist Cuba will fall when Castro dies. Communism in Cuba is doomed. Why bother? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 2:23:44 PM
- Yawn. - ebnelson - 12/29/2004 5:17:30 AM
- re: Is it now time to invade Cuba? - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 2:13:50 AM
- Well, human rights are absolutely ignored on Cuba - calls for liberation. - Bowser - 12/29/2004 12:32:12 AM
  - re: Well, human rights are absolutely ignored on Cuba - calls for liberation. - Marcia - 12/29/2004 10:31:51 PM
    - re: Sorry, Bowser, but it's true. (n/t) - Marcia - 12/29/2004 10:32:53 PM
  - Yes, in some people's minds, human rights in Cuba are only an issue in Guantanamo. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 2:18:21 AM
    - No, but the acts at Guantanamo were committed by my country and supposedly in our name- - R.L. - 12/29/2004 3:19:46 AM
      - re: No, but the acts at Guantanamo were committed by my country and supposedly in our name- - Marcia - 12/29/2004 10:40:43 PM

Miscik to "resign" - alcaray - 12/29/2004 9:59:00 PM

Further Gitmo detainee abuse alleged - FBI memos substantiate prisoner's claims, lawyers say - Bowser - 12/26/2004 5:40:19 AM
- The Recycle Trick. - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 2:11:23 AM
  - No. Some people keep claiming torture is isolated. The US seems to have Abu Ghraibs all over. - Bowser - 12/27/2004 3:09:35 AM
- Frankly, Bowser, I don't give a damn. I lost any sympathy for terrorists that I ever might have had a long time ago; September 11, 2001 to be exact. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/26/2004 6:01:18 AM
  - And you advocate terrorism - carpet-bombing cities. Sez a lot. It all, really. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/27/2004 12:08:34 AM
    - Where did you get that nonsense? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/27/2004 2:54:22 PM
      - Why deny something so easily demonstrated? - Bowser - 12/27/2004 9:37:09 PM
        
        Wrong. I NEVER said that. - David F Mayer - 12/27/2004 10:45:32 PM
        
        Dont lie, you bigoted hack - R.L. - 12/28/2004 5:18:09 AM
        
        Moab is NOT carpet bombing. It is a single bomb directed at a single, hardened target. - David F Mayer - 12/28/2004 5:50:55 PM
        
        re: Moab is NOT carpet bombing. It is a single bomb directed at a single, hardened target. - Davin L. - 12/28/2004 9:57:30 PM
        
        The term was generically applied to all super-sized ordnance. - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 2:31:50 PM
        
        NO IT ISNT YOU TWIT- YOU ARE DESPERATELY THYING TO WEASEL OUT OF YOUR OWN STUPID STATEMENTS! - R.L. - 12/29/2004 8:25:01 PM
        
        re: The term was generically applied to all super-sized ordnance. - Davin L. - 12/29/2004 3:59:50 PM
        
        Test of first MOAB (modernized 'daisy cutter') here - R.L. - 12/28/2004 9:33:38 PM
        
        More on MOAB to educate DFM - R.L. - 12/28/2004 9:28:39 PM
        
        Get YOUR facts straight- MOAB stands for Massive Ordinance Air Burst and is meant for taking out LARGE formations of troops- it is not a 'penetrating' warhead- educate yourself - R.L. - 12/28/2004 8:30:50 PM
        
        Hence the term "Daisy-Cutter" used for early designs of such weapons. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 8:34:56 PM
        
        R.L. says his favorite word again. He really likes it you know. :-D (n/t) - Lee - 12/28/2004 8:21:24 AM
        
        I only use it when it fits- when someone advocates the MOAB'ing of a civilian city when the murder of a few of their own innocents is the ultimate crime, and when someone lauds Nazi germany and the f… - R.L. - 12/29/2004 7:05:59 AM
        
        MOABs on Fallujah - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 6:38:14 AM
        
        Tom Brosz wrote: "And a lot of people are either too immature or too stupid to understand this." Or too doctrinaire in their beliefs that the USA is evil and anything that opposes it is good by defin… - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 2:34:16 PM
        
        Well, you could start by pointing out that we have not done any "carpet-bombing" in the current Iraq war. - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 9:46:34 PM
      - It's been one of his regurgitated mantras for weeks. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 7:12:09 PM
  - It has nothing to do with sympathy - Donald - 12/26/2004 6:29:19 PM
    - Terrorists are NOT protected persons under the Geneva Conventions. They have no rights whatsoever. Once it has been determined that someone is a member of Al Qaeda, we can do whatever we like to them… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/27/2004 9:39:17 PM
      - You dont seem to consider Arab civilians 'Protected persons' - what distinguishes you from the radical imams supporting the murder of innocents? (n/t) - R.L. - 12/28/2004 8:36:56 PM
        
        According to the Geneva Conventions, "a competent tribunal" - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 5:17:14 PM
  - America Degenerates into Nazism. - somebody - 12/26/2004 10:13:16 AM
    - Sorry, no sympathy for terrorists. Fuckem. (n/t) - DFM - 12/26/2004 4:03:07 PM
      - How 'bout those terrorists at the Boston Tea Party? - Publius - 12/27/2004 9:30:04 PM
        
        They were not setting off bombs in churches. They killed NOBODY in the Boston Teaparty. Big Difference. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/27/2004 9:40:13 PM
        
        Careful there, good little neocons equate violation of private property with killing...... - Publius - 12/28/2004 11:19:54 PM
        
        Lame. You can do better. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 2:20:07 AM
        
        The definition around here of "terrorism" is less than precise. - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 9:56:03 PM
        
        Yeah, and Nicaragua, Honduras, Argentenia, and Chile... (n/t) - Publius - 12/28/2004 11:16:03 PM
        
        Nicaragua, Honduras, Argentenia, and Chile... all have one thing in common. - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 9:46:33 PM
        
        re: Nicaragua, Honduras, Argentenia, and Chile... - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 1:17:03 AM
        
        What the Left has done worthwhile lately... - Mary Anne - 12/28/2004 5:11:05 AM
        
        Some good points. A few comments... - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 6:08:36 AM
      - Any sympathy for the untried accused? Any sympathy for the rule of law? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 12/26/2004 5:02:30 PM
        
        These people are OUTSIDE the pale of the law. They have cancelled their rights by their actions. They are specifically EXCLUDED from protection by the Geneva Conventions. The hell with them. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/27/2004 10:47:48 PM
        
        Convict them first. - Mary Anne - 12/28/2004 2:07:43 AM
        
        It is only necessary to show that the are fighting with Al Qaeda. Nothing else is required. - David F Mayer - 12/28/2004 5:54:04 PM
        
        Pirates are also subject to trial. - Mary Anne - 12/28/2004 6:45:04 PM
        
        Risks - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 8:08:45 PM
        
        How many have been released who haven't done any such thing? - Mary Anne - 12/28/2004 8:28:24 PM
        
        No, I didn't say that. - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 8:46:57 PM
        
        No, you didn't. I didn't phrase it properly, and I apologize. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 12/29/2004 4:16:13 AM
        
        No problem. Thanks! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 6:18:41 AM
        
        Yes. Show us. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/28/2004 6:23:37 PM
        
        Just treat them like Nazis treated the resistance. - adolf - 12/28/2004 6:12:54 PM
        
        Let's bring back McCarthyism and the KKK too! - persecuted - 12/28/2004 12:52:04 AM
        
        Any sympathy for decent people whose country has degenerated into this? (n/t) - Bowser - 12/26/2004 11:39:09 PM

Another Zarqawi lieutenant captured - David F Mayer - 12/29/2004 5:10:45 PM

Southeast Asia tragedy - Raoul - 12/26/2004 10:04:49 AM
- Tsunami on film - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 8:37:13 PM
- Comments from Belmont Club - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 7:40:18 PM
- Map - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 7:09:55 PM
- Ask not for whom the bell may toll... - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 7:01:00 AM
  - Whoa there Nelly, be careful of the quote you use...... - Publius - 12/28/2004 11:13:25 PM
    - re: quotes - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 1:04:11 AM
  - It's All In The Assumption's Of Their Model's ;-) - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 1:19:06 AM
- Bolt out of the blue: 11,460 people dead - Gary - 12/26/2004 9:41:28 PM
  - re: I agree, the sooner there are humans on other planets the better. - Johannes - 12/27/2004 6:40:16 AM
    - I just cannot relate to that argument - Daniel - 12/27/2004 8:16:06 AM
      - False Conflict - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 1:22:01 AM
        
        not what I'm saying - Daniel - 12/28/2004 1:45:59 AM
        
        re: not what I'm saying - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 2:09:43 AM
        
        Well, yes - Daniel - 12/28/2004 2:43:41 AM
      - re: I just cannot relate to that argument - Johannes - 12/27/2004 7:51:51 PM
        
        well .. - Daniel - 12/28/2004 12:53:40 AM
      - Agreed - Lindy - 12/27/2004 6:18:06 PM
        
        The "Mars Society" Formed in 1998 - Mark Eby - 12/29/2004 1:38:47 AM
        
        Woops..... - Lindy - 12/29/2004 5:15:27 AM
        
        Hey, if you can afford it .. - Daniel - 12/28/2004 1:01:12 AM
      - Preaching to the choir - Gary - 12/27/2004 5:34:54 PM
        
        Exactly - Daniel - 12/28/2004 1:13:55 AM
  - re: Early warning - Raoul - 12/26/2004 10:16:23 PM
    - re: Early warning - Larry J - 12/27/2004 12:38:31 AM
      - This a terrible tragedy - I hope aid can get there fast enough to stop disease from killing far more - R.L. - 12/28/2004 7:18:38 AM
    - The have tsunami sirens in Hilo, Hawaii - Gary - 12/26/2004 10:22:36 PM
      - re: "Don't live next to the ocean shore." - Mary Anne - 12/28/2004 1:59:25 PM
      - re: The have tsunami sirens in Hilo, Hawaii - p - 12/26/2004 10:47:04 PM
        
        Probably weren't loud enough for 'em to hear. - Bowser - 12/26/2004 11:39:56 PM
        
        -or- - Gary - 12/26/2004 11:10:55 PM
- 8.9 Mag - A total blackout on the Live Internet Seismic Server - Eric - 12/26/2004 2:00:33 PM
  - IRIS map - Fox - 12/26/2004 9:14:24 PM
    - re: IRIS map - Lindy - 12/27/2004 6:04:15 AM

Another view on Iraq - LJ - 12/24/2004 10:33:03 PM
- re: Another view on Iraq - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 1:30:47 AM
  - And remind me this Christmas Eve why any of 'em died. - Bowser - 12/25/2004 1:41:07 AM
    - Why not see what the soldiers have to say? - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 2:03:51 AM
      - You really, really rely on anecdotal stuff, don't you. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/25/2004 8:37:01 AM
        
        Yeah, what the hell would the guys fighting in Iraq know about it compared to your transcendent omniscience? - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 8:23:21 PM
        
        Having been one, I can tell you they know their reality very, very well. Now - - - - Bowser - 12/26/2004 12:52:45 AM
        
        Sonow you are back to claiming you were a soldier? How very very disgusting of you. - ebnelson - 12/26/2004 5:46:35 AM
        
        Anonymous works for some people. No responsibility, no consistency, and authority on anything you claim you are. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 6:24:43 AM
        
        Heh, heh. No one has to believe me. Not a soul. - Bowser - 12/27/2004 8:09:12 AM
        
        Sorry, Charlie. You're gonna have to help me there. - Bowser - 12/27/2004 2:11:34 AM
        
        Projection, not imitation, is perhaps the finest form of flattery. - ebnelson - 12/27/2004 4:07:37 PM
        
        I never saw that post - SDG - 12/29/2004 2:56:34 AM

New poll of the military - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 7:18:09 AM
- More milblogger comments on the military and the media - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 9:22:28 PM
- Interesting poll........... - Publius - 12/27/2004 9:10:27 PM
  - Which military were you in? (n/t) - DFM - 12/28/2004 5:46:29 PM
    - Ours!........................... (n/t) - Publius - 12/28/2004 6:33:08 PM
  - Interesting how something this significant makes so little impression. - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 7:19:18 AM
    - re: "stupid, afraid of expressing their "real" opinions, or probably both" - alcaray - 12/28/2004 4:18:19 PM
      - Poll - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 7:57:52 PM
        
        I've heard some things to support the other side of the argument. - alcaray - 12/28/2004 9:04:17 PM
        
        Maybe you're not selling any views... - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 9:29:58 PM
        
        The media I consume has it about 50-50 negative stuff to positive - alcaray - 12/28/2004 11:44:58 PM
        
        Really? - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 12:46:08 AM
        
        re: Maybe you're not selling any views... - SDG - 12/28/2004 10:19:50 PM
        
        re: views - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 10:53:12 PM
  - Uh...because nobody polled you while you were in the military? - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 9:24:18 PM
    - I think we were both out the day they came to call ...... (n/t) - Publius - 12/27/2004 9:31:05 PM

Tsumani blog activated - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 7:23:11 AM
- Asian Quake Felt in Oklahoma - Eric - 12/28/2004 7:56:00 PM
- re: Clarke - Raoul - 12/28/2004 4:13:18 PM

Respected Army historian cites lack of postwar plan - Donald - 12/25/2004 4:15:21 PM
- Being "nice guys" loses again. - David F Mayer - 12/26/2004 4:10:55 PM
- So, what exactly would this great plan have been? - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 8:36:52 PM
  - So far, three non-answers. Anybody else want to weigh in? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 9:48:11 PM
    - not again. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/28/2004 4:22:16 PM
  - Does anyone actually THINK about these things, or is just throwing shit enough?" - Publius - 12/27/2004 9:22:16 PM
  - Do you REALLY believe this is the best outcome the US could have devised? - Bowser - 12/27/2004 2:07:50 AM
  - Iraq for Iraqis, and ending the Palestinian-Israeli conflict - E.P. Grondine - 12/25/2004 8:54:30 PM

Annan: Sudan Still Free of U.S. Imperialism (thank God) - David F Mayer - 12/27/2004 10:41:34 PM

The real winners in Washington's recount - Donald - 12/23/2004 6:17:12 PM
- If nothing else... - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2004 7:06:09 PM
  - Every vote counts, unless it's a close election. - Lee - 12/24/2004 2:36:31 AM
    - re: Every vote counts, unless it's a close election. - Chris Vancil - 12/24/2004 8:32:38 AM
      - Well if one or two recounts aren't good enough - Lee - 12/24/2004 9:52:24 AM
        
        re: Well if one or two recounts aren't good enough - Chris Vancil - 12/24/2004 4:03:51 PM
        
        "Recount until you're ahead. Then stop." - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2004 6:43:51 PM
        
        re: No Tom we stop when we make the vote official it's the law. Repubs lost so now they want to change the rules of the election. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/25/2004 12:24:12 AM
        
        Well if Democrat johnny come lately votes can be counted, why not Republicans? (n/t) - Lee - 12/24/2004 5:50:46 PM
        
        re: Because they did and now the election is over and certified. If I came to my polling place a day late would you accept my vote? How about a week? Any vote found now by anyone is to late. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/25/2004 12:22:01 AM
        
        "Any vote found now by anyone is to late." Which is why the "found" votes shouldn't have counted. (n/t) - Lee - 12/25/2004 7:41:56 AM
        
        You haven't paid close attention to this race. In both recounts counties of both colors found misplaced ballots. That is what a recount is for in part. The 700 King County votes didn't make the win.… (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/25/2004 10:07:43 PM
        
        Yes I have paid close attention. NONE of the ballots found after election day should be counted. (n/t) - Lee - 12/26/2004 6:18:53 AM
  - Why? Was turnout bad in Washington? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/23/2004 7:56:29 PM
  - There is no excuse... - Donald - 12/23/2004 7:21:29 PM

News from Iraq - David F Mayer - 12/26/2004 5:09:20 AM

Progress in Afghanistan - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 9:09:19 PM
- re: Progress in Afghanistan - Donald - 12/25/2004 10:17:33 PM
  - re: Progress in Afghanistan - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2004 12:28:40 AM

Update Washington State. Repubs did exactly the same thing Democrats did... - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2004 4:18:05 PM
- re: Update Washington State. Repubs did exactly the same thing Democrats did... - Mark Eby - 12/25/2004 1:29:09 AM
  - rIt's not evil to look for legal votes for your party's person. - Chris Vancil - 12/25/2004 3:49:34 AM
    - re: rIt's not evil to look for legal votes for your party's person. - Mark Eby - 12/25/2004 5:22:27 AM
      - It's not evil to look for legal votes for your party's person. - Chris Vancil - 12/25/2004 10:23:42 PM
- Blogger tracking this election - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2004 6:10:47 PM
  - re: Blogger tracking this election - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2004 1:30:02 AM
  - re: "Electoral desperation" has always been everyone's trait, clueless! The Repuds want to now change the laws of Washington State cause they lost! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:48:06 PM
  - Election desperation... - Donald - 12/23/2004 7:38:37 PM
- Right out of the vote fraud playbook - Larry J - 12/23/2004 4:24:37 PM
  - re: Yes, that's the law and now the repubs will take it to the courts becuase they lost! BTW, all three recounts were legal. It's just the Repubs are sore losers! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:51:37 PM
    - If the same standards were applied to all votes... - Larry J - 12/23/2004 9:45:12 PM
      - re: The same standards have been applied in all counties. - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 10:47:36 PM
  - recount #1 was mandated by Washington law... - alcaray - 12/23/2004 5:22:37 PM
    - Washington has very carefully thoughtout laws that covered all this. Clear and trasparent like all elections should be. The repubs can now take it to the courts and contest the election as anyone who… (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 9:34:40 PM
    - The same standard for counting must apply to all counties... - Larry J - 12/23/2004 5:36:31 PM
      - re:It did! Quite whining! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:44:23 PM
      - That's precisely the case,,, - Donald - 12/23/2004 5:39:40 PM
  - Its the law - Donald - 12/23/2004 4:49:50 PM
    - The fact that they changed the law after the fact doesn't seem to disturb you... - Larry J - 12/23/2004 4:55:55 PM
      - re: A PS: Repubs found more votes as well and it will be more than enough to win. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:43:07 PM
        
        Oops, that came out muddy. Chris won and has at least one vote more than Dino. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:53:40 PM
      - re: You obviously listen to liars. No law was changed. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:41:48 PM
      - The law didn't change - Donald - 12/23/2004 5:36:52 PM
- Go Gregoire! - Donald - 12/23/2004 2:30:00 AM
  - re: Repubs say it an't over yet... - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 9:03:46 AM
    - Vance - Donald - 12/23/2004 4:48:14 PM
      - re: Vance and Rossi - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 9:19:09 PM
      - So, you want to allow a changed standard in the counties that benefit your side... - Larry J - 12/23/2004 4:59:29 PM
        
        re:No. You are misinformed. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 8:39:58 PM
        
        Wrong - Donald - 12/23/2004 5:44:26 PM
        
        Wrong - Donald - 12/23/2004 5:44:23 PM
        
        As long as the same standard is applied to all counties... - Larry J - 12/23/2004 6:24:56 PM
        
        re: You are such a whiner, Larry. It was all LEGAL! All we have ever wanted was every legal vote counted. - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 9:04:29 PM
- re: It was a votes and the Repubs expectedly say it isn't over. What a complete surprise! 8-) (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2004 11:54:23 PM
  - re: Oops, I mean 8 votes! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2004 11:55:36 PM
    - Gees! I misunderstood my friend's voice mail...it was 10 votes and King County gets to count the almost 800 votes. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 12:12:07 AM
      - re: The Repubs are not happy! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2004 12:13:01 AM
- Save your breath. It will be Gore's and the Dem's fault no matter what happens. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/22/2004 4:28:28 PM
  - ALL evil chicanery resides with Dems. Rs are ALL good, pure. DeLay ain't in jail, is he? 'Cause he's R, and pure!! (n/t) - Bowser - 12/22/2004 6:03:39 PM
  - Nonsense ya liberal - Tony - 12/22/2004 5:14:18 PM

Bush renominating judges - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2004 5:29:38 AM
- How come religious judges ain't OK for Iraq but ARE OK for the US? - Bowser - 12/24/2004 6:21:07 AM
  - Please point out the names on the list that qualify as "theocrats." - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2004 6:35:15 PM
  - The Constitution prohibits religious tests for office and judges - Larry J - 12/24/2004 5:15:51 PM
    - And Bush has one, doesn't he? Try ignoring or spinning that. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/25/2004 1:34:43 AM
      - You would disqualify anyone who is religious. That is a religious test. - Larry J - 12/25/2004 1:37:19 PM
        
        I'lll be darned - you did both. He can if he wants and he says he doesn't. - Bowser - 12/25/2004 3:33:54 PM
        
        When a Democratic president approves a pro-life judge, then you can get huffy about "litmus tests." (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 8:39:17 PM
        
        Of course, it might be a while before we can test that... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2004 8:39:47 PM

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