Treason law is fairly easy to research via Google. I've done it at least twice, prompted by its misuse in HZ and in the larger screaming match called American politics. [Exercise left to the interested stiudent]
What it boils down to is rather simple:
Treason is not speech, but an act. Raising an army to overthrow the Federal government is an act of treason; calling for someone else to do so is not.
"Aid and comfort" is also an act, not speech. It requires material aid, in goods or funds, not cheerleading... or speech quoted by third parties and represented to be cheerleading.
For a very brief time in our history (1798 - 1801), "sedition" -- public criticism of the Government -- was made illegal. It has not been a crime in the 204 years since the Act was allowed to expire. Nixon infamously misused the powers of the Executive to harrass those he considered enemies of his government and his person, but he could not have them arrested.
What does it mean when someone shouts that we can't win this war, that we need to quit, we need to surrender? Is that constructive criticism? Is it political commentary?
It is lawful dissent, protected speech under the First Amendment.
Interestingly enough, many of the sources I've found on treason law make comparison between American and British versions. In the latter, treason once included speech against the King, as well as acts against his person. Technically, Patrick Henry was flirting with treason at the time he made that speech.
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The word you're looking for is "sedition"
The whole thread (282 posts)
- "scumbags...in the HabitableZone preaching treason..."
- UNFLUSH
- re. Well said Robert
- re. Well said Robert
- In the spirit of "My very own personal definition of treason"
- I hope you're satisfied Robert
- What a pile of CRAP
- Why yes, as a matter of fact, thanks for asking
- Yep, when the brothers Grimm race to your defense you know you must be doing something right! (n/t)
- apples and oranges. Or maybe Physics and Vortices.
- "Colonel Mustard...in the study...with a pipe" (n/t)
- Steamrolling Doesn't Work But 4X12s Does
- Where's Gary? Hallooooo?
- THE MOST CLEAR CUT CASE OF GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY IN RECENT MEMORY
- Did someone at HZ out a CIA agent while I was gone? (n/t)
- re: "scumbags...in the HabitableZone preaching treason..."
- "If this be treason, let us make the most of it!"
- "If this be treason, let us make the most of it!"
- OOOPS.......... (n/t)
- Typically selective liberal memory
- Bad RL
- Ditto, ditto, ditto, supperditto! (n/t)
- Very nice FL
- So dissent is treason?
- John Walker Lindh....really?
- That picture was from his album page, dont you remember? (n/t)
- For chrissake!!
- "I remember something about this."
- OK, I bit.........
- Best of all you 'remembered' a post that never existed
- You believe any crap you read and that makes me an asshole?
- Why don't you try this approach on Mary Anne...
- return address lables.........
- Recap for for the reading challenged
- Perhaps.........
- "...I have been quite restrained..." - RL
- I can see your point as well.
- Recap for for the reading challenged
- What, you pulled one over on Lindy and gloat about it?
- OK, I bit.........
- anger and hyperbole
- I apologize...
- To be perfectly clear
- No, seriously: Notice of recusal
- BULLSHIT
- BULLSHIT
- Treason has a definition, or used to.
- We apparently need a new word.
- The word you're looking for is "sedition"
- No The Old One Works Fine
- Ohhh. this is classic
- If you are going to accuse someone of a capital crime, be ready to prove it.
- re: If you are going to accuse someone of a capital crime, be ready to prove it.
- Why don't you understand why someone would be offended...
- "Do you believe the left should shutup about all the poorly substantiated claims they have against Bush? Or do you think that because he is wrong on so many issues and obviously hand waives away scie…
- re: If you are going to accuse someone of a capital crime, be ready to prove it.
- Yes Use It
- You have proof of this, I assume.
- Three Way Example of Liberal Group Think
- So you sorta maybe think that some here ARE guilty of treason?
- Let's see...
- Another example of Eby non-think
- Not really
- Three Way Example of Liberal Group Think
- You have proof of this, I assume.
- We apparently need a new word.
- BULLSHIT, Eby
- Excuse me, Mark
- Don't know what is worse
- Hmm
- FrakenEby strikes again!
- Funny
- If you walk like a jackass, if you talk like a jackass
- Actually
- re: If you walk like a jackass, if you talk like a jackass
- If you walk like a jackass, if you talk like a jackass
- ah, drat. The image was htere on the html preview.
- Funny
- FrakenEby strikes again!
- Hmm
