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Hearts and minds - Tom Brosz - 11/3/2003 6:26:11 PM
- re: Changing Iraq? - Raoul - 11/3/2003 9:09:06 PM
  - Same old U.N. fantasy. - Tom Brosz - 11/3/2003 10:28:38 PM

Littlest Immigrants, Left in Hands of Smugglers . . . - D. Spires - 11/3/2003 10:22:05 PM

U.S. Post-War Glow Dimmed by Growing Iraqi Violence - Donald - 11/3/2003 2:47:00 PM
- Meanwhile: Iraqi Villagers Celebrate U.S. Helicopter Hit - Donald - 11/3/2003 2:51:02 PM
  - Aajnyone notice how the desperate Demoocratic Presidential hopefuls jumped on the "Opportunity" provided by the downed helicopter. - Scott Evil - 11/3/2003 4:35:48 PM
  - Who's a liar? - Buster - 11/3/2003 3:51:00 PM
    - re: Sunni triangle - Raoul - 11/3/2003 4:23:03 PM
      - re: Sunni triangle - Raoul - 11/3/2003 7:58:07 PM
      - Hmmm - FrankC - 11/3/2003 5:37:51 PM

The "flypaper" is working in Iraq - Gary - 11/1/2003 8:14:40 PM
- 16 "flypaper" dead in chopper crash, iraqis cheer death of "flypaper" in the streets - R.L. - 11/2/2003 8:22:23 PM
  - I think you're confusing me for Paul Wolfowitz - Gary - 11/3/2003 12:10:19 AM
    - I am sure the flypapers family thinks it was worth it - R.L. - 11/3/2003 7:54:10 AM
- Ummm please explain..... - R.L. - 11/2/2003 1:38:33 AM
  - a spectator sport - FrankC - 11/2/2003 7:01:27 PM
    - Exactly. - ebnelson - 11/2/2003 10:37:12 PM
      - Who the hell is a defeatist? - R.L. - 11/3/2003 8:28:08 AM
        
        re: Who the hell is a defeatist? - FrankC - 11/3/2003 4:44:38 PM
        
        re: Who the hell is a defeatist? - ebnelson - 11/3/2003 12:39:54 PM
    - what the hell did this have to do with your family's safety?! (n/t) - R.L. - 11/2/2003 8:18:35 PM
      - Why waste my time explaining. - FrankC - 11/2/2003 8:35:52 PM
        
        you just dont have an answer - R.L. - 11/3/2003 7:51:22 AM
- Exactly! (n/t) - FrankC - 11/1/2003 11:22:04 PM

Supreme Court Won't Enter Ten Commandments Fight - Donald - 11/3/2003 3:31:38 PM

"Weâ€™re Not Losing the Culture Wars Anymore" - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2003 4:05:17 AM
- Reprinted in the Wall Street Journal - Tom Brosz - 11/3/2003 6:57:23 AM
- Geez Tom - that's scary - LJ - 10/28/2003 5:29:00 PM
- Read the whole thing - Tony - 10/28/2003 5:21:58 PM
- Yeah, let's hear it for rants. - Mary Anne - 10/28/2003 12:53:22 PM
  - Sorry you feel that way - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2003 9:45:23 PM

Some historical perspective concerning American wars - Gary - 11/3/2003 12:05:56 AM
- You make the same mistake we all tend to make - Tom Brosz - 11/3/2003 12:17:59 AM
  - Take a look at ANSWER's website.... - Gary - 11/3/2003 12:33:10 AM

David Kay's letter to the Washington Post - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2003 9:02:15 PM
- The truth as David Kay tells his own story is irrelevant to those - ebnelson - 11/2/2003 9:33:03 PM

And things are "getting better" in Baghdad - Donald - 11/1/2003 5:01:05 AM
- Meanwhile: Roadside Bomb Kills Two GIs in Iraq - Donald - 11/1/2003 1:57:04 PM
  - And: The Pentagon crosses the lexicon - Donald - 11/1/2003 2:02:09 PM
    - Latest cost estimate for occupying Iraq: up to $200 billion - Donald - 11/1/2003 2:04:52 PM
      - "From 2004 through 2013" - less than 1% of the federal budget - 11/1/2003 5:34:48 PM
        
        Is that YOU, Tom? - Lindy - 11/2/2003 4:37:15 PM
        
        Not me. - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2003 8:57:05 PM

Letâ€™s put another piece of the uranium forgeries puzzle down on the table. - Greg - 11/1/2003 6:02:52 AM
- This is fish wrapper Greg (n/t) - FrankC - 11/1/2003 6:19:54 AM
  - Nice try, Frank - E.P. Grondine - 11/2/2003 7:38:00 PM

Dixie Chicks: Stars and Strife . . . - D. Spires - 4/25/2003 9:26:43 AM
- Re: Dixie Chicks: Stars and Strife . . . - Mark Eby - 4/26/2003 6:56:44 PM
  - Re: Dixie Chicks: Stars and Strife . . . - Buck Galaxy - 4/26/2003 8:00:43 AM
    - To Be Fair - Mark Eby - 4/26/2003 9:44:48 AM
    - Re: Dixie Chicks: Stars and Strife . . . - gbaikie - 4/26/2003 8:58:36 AM
      - re: Re: Dixie Chicks: Stars and Strife . . . - heaven fyke - 11/2/2003 1:46:10 AM
- Those are very airbrushed phots, I think. (n/t) - ebnelson - 4/26/2003 12:59:03 PM

From Indonesia, a "moderate" Muslim nation - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2003 9:40:12 PM

Middle East - Raoul - 10/31/2003 7:32:11 PM
- re: It may be the only solution . . . - D. Spires - 10/31/2003 7:38:00 PM
  - re: It may be the only solution . . . - Raoul - 11/1/2003 4:28:30 PM

This was good for a laugh - Larry J - 10/31/2003 4:34:34 PM
- Reminded me of the film "Suddenly Last Summer" - FrankC - 11/1/2003 5:55:22 AM
- Loaf of bread? - RobVG - 11/1/2003 3:12:19 AM
- Loaf of bread? - RobVG - 11/1/2003 3:12:10 AM

Deadlines - FrankC - 11/1/2003 5:45:41 AM

Videotape Shows Saddam's Men Torturing Iraqis - Forgotten Poster - 10/31/2003 12:04:57 PM
- Forgotten poster - FrankC - 11/1/2003 5:13:26 AM
- All that is important is that terrorists are still acting out in Iraq - ebnelson - 10/31/2003 2:48:54 PM

On this scale, Bush ranks as the most irresponsible, recklessly borrowing President in American history - Greg - 11/1/2003 4:32:41 AM
- Entirely likely - Donald - 11/1/2003 4:57:47 AM

Bush's Iraq: Worse is better, danger is safety - Donald - 10/31/2003 1:58:56 PM
- Maureen is the Queen - ebnelson - 10/31/2003 2:45:59 PM
- Iraq: The Wrong 'Wedge Issue' - Donald - 10/31/2003 2:05:42 PM
  - Iraq is the last issue the desperate Democrats have got. - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2003 5:09:08 PM
    - re: Iraq is the last issue the desperate Democrats have got. - ebnelson - 11/1/2003 2:15:27 AM

5200 year old battle victim - Buster - 11/1/2003 12:57:38 AM

Saddam confidant linked to terrorist group - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2003 6:11:05 AM
- The United States and the Soviet Union were only working together under the supreme duress of fighting Nazi Germany. - Mary Anne - 10/30/2003 2:29:48 PM
  - re: The United States and the Soviet Union were only working together under the supreme duress of fighting Nazi Germany. - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2003 7:41:15 PM
    - I see you have no answer. - Mary Anne - 10/31/2003 1:58:05 PM
      - re: I see you have no answer. - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2003 12:51:26 AM
- you forgot something - Tony - 10/30/2003 12:25:02 PM
  - re: you forgot something - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2003 7:28:33 PM
    - Strawmen, supposition and conjecture - Tony - 10/30/2003 8:04:22 PM

Old Warhorse's Opinion - alcaray - 9/5/2003 5:38:48 PM
- re: Old Warhorse's Opinion - Mark Eby - 9/6/2003 4:48:28 AM
  - You mis-state my position - alcaray - 9/6/2003 10:51:46 PM
    - Maybe, Maybe Not - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:49:24 AM
  - Uh Mary-Anne The American Justice System Doesn't Have Jurisdiction Over Iraq - Mark Eby - 9/6/2003 3:00:34 PM
    - If you don't mean a thing, then don't use the language - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 4:51:00 PM
      - I Do Mean It And You're Missing The Point - Mark Eby - 9/6/2003 5:08:57 PM
        
        We violate the law in order to preserve it. - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 11:58:34 PM
        
        PS International Law Is Not Law If It's Not Enforced (n/t) - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:09:07 AM
        
        Law is always law whether it's enforced or not. - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 3:29:14 AM
        
        Apply It To Yourself - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:44:38 PM
        
        Invasion was agreed upon? - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 11:29:06 PM
        
        Tom Please Quote Here The Final Resolution and Others Applicable. I Bet You Have The Links Handy - Mark Eby - 9/8/2003 1:39:48 AM
        
        Resolution and Others Applicable - Tom Brosz - 9/8/2003 10:24:35 PM
        
        Password, please - Mary Anne - 9/9/2003 3:49:38 AM
        
        Sorry... - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2003 11:56:40 PM
        
        No. Iraq Violated It's Obligations - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:03:33 AM
        
        re: Did it? - Raoul - 9/7/2003 7:36:59 PM
        
        Yes - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:26:05 PM
        
        re: consequences - Raoul - 9/8/2003 7:13:23 PM
        
        Then Explain This - Mark Eby - 9/9/2003 3:57:40 AM
        
        Ah, yet another version of why we are allowed to invade other countries - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 3:19:01 AM
        
        My Reasons Are The Same As They've Always Been - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 5:13:10 AM
        
        Correction - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 4:10:09 AM
  - Suspects' rights vs. protecting the innocent - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 12:12:43 PM
    - re: Suspects' rights vs. protecting the innocent - gbaikie - 9/6/2003 10:31:22 PM
      - "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 11:52:54 PM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:08:03 AM
        
        A Primer - Fox - 9/7/2003 5:59:55 AM
        
        re: A Primer - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 10:09:41 PM
        
        Your Primer Left Out The Same Facts As Don Sooo Convenient - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:37:32 PM
        
        "Tyrant enabling excuses"? - Fox - 9/7/2003 11:29:43 PM
        
        Somewhat Accurate - Mark Eby - 9/8/2003 1:44:16 AM
        
        Nolo Contendre - Fox - 9/8/2003 7:53:55 PM
        
        Fair Enough - Mark Eby - 9/9/2003 3:36:16 AM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 4:01:37 AM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - gbaikie - 9/7/2003 6:27:12 AM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - Tom Brosz - 9/7/2003 4:50:17 AM
        
        Burning down the house - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 3:04:18 PM
        
        re: Burning down the house - gbaikie - 9/7/2003 9:52:54 PM
        
        He Never Fully Cooperated Mary-Anne (n/t) - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:41:34 PM
- Speech - Tom Brosz - 9/5/2003 9:56:08 PM
  - re: Speech - alcaray - 9/5/2003 10:28:51 PM
- "we're in danger of failing" - FrankC - 9/5/2003 9:23:37 PM
- And the answer is - Robert - 9/5/2003 5:52:00 PM
  - ruinous - FrankC - 9/5/2003 9:13:52 PM
    - re: ruinous - Robert - 9/5/2003 10:39:13 PM
    - And you blame us for making moral equivalence arguements? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/5/2003 9:29:35 PM
      - That's a cop out - FrankC - 9/5/2003 9:39:26 PM
        
        Quite so! - alcaray - 9/5/2003 10:13:22 PM
        
        re: Quite so! - Greg - 9/6/2003 2:43:27 AM
    - re: ruinous - Tom Brosz - 9/5/2003 9:26:18 PM
  - Oh, please Robert....will you STOP already?? - Lindy - 9/5/2003 6:47:17 PM
    - re: Oh, please Robert....will you STOP already?? - maleek jackson - 10/30/2003 10:51:00 PM

Winning Badly - Greg - 10/29/2003 2:57:56 PM
- re: And winning well? - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2003 11:57:23 PM
- Nope. UP FRONT costs of WAR and OCCUPATION - carl - 10/29/2003 4:38:52 PM
  - re: Endless war - Raoul - 10/29/2003 5:36:40 PM
    - re: Endless war - gbaikie - 10/30/2003 12:17:32 AM
    - Endless war - Lindy - 10/29/2003 6:52:42 PM
      - re: Endless war - Jack Herer - 10/29/2003 9:37:54 PM
        
        Missing from these posts: how terrorism SHOULD be fought. - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2003 11:44:45 PM
        
        Missing from toms post: How Iraq has anything to do, whatsoever, with global radical islamist terrorism. - Davin L. - 10/30/2003 4:11:57 AM
        
        How do you type with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears? - ebnelson - 10/30/2003 1:50:14 PM
        
        Why don't you replace incredulity with an example of where I am wrong? - Davin L. - 10/30/2003 4:10:25 PM
        
        If ignorance is bliss you are in nirvana - ebnelson - 10/31/2003 1:12:38 AM
        
        Like I said, you have nothing, nada, zip.... - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 1:16:59 AM
        
        How do you type with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears? - ebnelson - 10/30/2003 1:50:04 PM
        
        How Iraq has something to do with global radical islamist terrorism. - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2003 5:58:53 AM
        
        Okay, I'll hash over this regurgitation of old allegations one piece at a time. - Davin L. - 10/30/2003 4:09:03 PM
        
        You could have saved a lot of trouble by simply typing "everyone who disagrees with my take on it is lying or mistaken." - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2003 9:57:57 PM
        
        Tom, your acting/thinking/talking like an anomolist again - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 1:13:04 AM
        
        re: an anomolist again - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2003 2:14:30 AM
        
        re: an anomolist again - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 4:20:22 AM
        
        Five people? - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2003 6:44:12 AM
        
        You are grandstanding again. - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 3:31:17 PM
        
        We got more to lose if Tom is wrong than if you are wrong (n/t) - Best to "err" on the side of caution - 10/31/2003 6:29:35 PM
        
        Taking it one step further: Kill everyone who isn't an american and maybe we'll be safe? Why stop there? (n/t) - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 7:39:15 PM
        
        Yeah, trying to create a state in the Middle East where freedom, democracy, human rights, market economics, secular government etc. prevail is just one step short of - GLOBAL GENOCIDE! - 10/31/2003 8:33:21 PM
        
        Funny, I thought we were doing this because it was the safer course of action- but here you are saying: - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 9:45:39 PM

Gruesome Videotape Allegedly Shows Brutal Fedayeen Saddam Punishment . . . - D. Spires - 10/31/2003 6:59:46 PM

Aid Groups Exit Baghdad As Attacks Surge - Don - 10/31/2003 4:59:51 AM
- Meanwhile: Report Says Iraq Contracts Reek of Cronyism - Donald - 10/31/2003 5:03:28 AM
  - Some are reading the report more closely... - Larry J - 10/31/2003 6:17:58 PM

Of traitors, and wilful ignorance - LJ - 10/28/2003 5:19:33 PM
- ****, this one's simple - E.P. Grondine - 10/29/2003 10:46:50 PM
- Oh yes! Please try to be sensitive and feel my pain, you callous Americans brutes! n/t (n/t) - Osama - 10/29/2003 3:18:14 AM
- re: Of traitors, and wilful ignorance - ebnelson - 10/29/2003 2:14:55 AM
- re: "We are creating the next generation of terrorists . . ." - D. Spires - 10/28/2003 8:52:09 PM
  - It isn't terrorism if you are attacking an armed military target - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2003 10:12:01 PM
    - re: Legally true . . . - D. Spires - 10/28/2003 10:14:23 PM
      - re: Whoops . . . - D. Spires - 10/28/2003 10:21:59 PM
        
        Trouble with definitions is there is still a gradation between the two - Tony - 10/30/2003 12:31:51 PM
        
        re: Hardly a 'gradation' . . . - D. Spires - 10/30/2003 10:00:29 PM
        
        No and no. BTW, those were real, not hypothetical (n/t) - Tony - 10/30/2003 10:15:46 PM
        
        re: Tony -- targeted by whom . . . ? (n/t) - D. Spires - 10/30/2003 11:17:10 PM
        
        Dan -- Why would the targeter make a difference? - Tony - 10/31/2003 12:57:45 AM
        
        re: I can see how this might be confusing, but . . . - D. Spires - 10/31/2003 1:30:43 AM
        
        You asked a question. I answered. Sorry to confuse you. (n/t) - Tony - 10/31/2003 3:43:08 PM
- re: Of traitors, and wilful ignorance - Marcia - 10/28/2003 7:37:51 PM
  - re: wilful ignorance - Raoul - 10/28/2003 10:40:13 PM
    - re: :^) . . . - D. Spires - 10/29/2003 12:48:01 AM
      - re: re:Fear - Raoul - 10/29/2003 5:23:50 PM
        
        re: Fear: Or equals Al Quaida, Taliban & Co. (whatever way you want to sepell it.) - Marcia - 10/30/2003 4:07:23 AM
        
        re: Exactly! - Raoul - 10/30/2003 5:22:46 PM
        
        re: It is already shown that vigilance = success . . . - D. Spires - 10/30/2003 9:53:12 PM
        
        re: Yes, that should be 'spell it' (as in like it is). (n/t) - Marcia - 10/30/2003 4:10:11 AM
        
        re: Yeah, Raoul, we're all being terrorized over here . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 10/29/2003 9:33:29 PM
      - re: :^) . . . - ebnelson - 10/29/2003 2:45:57 AM
        
        re: The flaw . . . - D. Spires - 10/29/2003 5:37:47 AM
- trying to understand - FrankC - 10/28/2003 7:28:10 PM
  - Exactly. - ebnelson - 10/29/2003 2:17:21 AM

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