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A long-awaited report says global warming is "very likely" man-made - Johannes - 2/2/2007 12:21:41 AM
- Summary for Policy Makers link - TB - 2/2/2007 5:10:56 PM
- MIT Climate Scientist Calls Fears of Global Warming 'Silly' - Equates Concerns to ‘Little Kids’ Attempting to "Scare Each Other" - gbaikie - 2/2/2007 9:25:20 AM
  - "Ice score records"? Who transcribed this mess? (n/t) - alcaray - 2/2/2007 6:29:21 PM
    - re: "Ice score records"? Who transcribed this mess? - gbaikie - 2/2/2007 11:29:31 PM
      - My personal feeling on precision (not accuracy - still waiting for you to figure out what "accuracy" means)... - alcaray - 2/3/2007 2:44:19 AM
        
        Guys, can't we just talk about it? I don't have time to prep for a dissertation, now. (n/t) - alcaray - 2/5/2007 4:45:53 PM
        
        Some papers on the subject - TB - 2/3/2007 6:14:00 PM
        
        re: My personal feeling on precision (not accuracy - still waiting for you to figure out what "accuracy" means)... - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 4:32:24 AM
        
        re: My personal feeling on precision (not accuracy - still waiting for you to figure out what "accuracy" means)... - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 3:40:31 AM
        
        re: My personal feeling on precision (not accuracy - still waiting for you to figure out what "accuracy" means)... - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 4:23:51 AM
        
        re: My personal feeling on precision (not accuracy - still waiting for you to figure out what "accuracy" means)... - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 3:53:30 AM
  - re: MIT Climate Scientist Calls Fears of Global Warming 'Silly' - gbaikie - 2/2/2007 11:29:09 AM
    - length and language - Yeti - 2/2/2007 4:39:01 PM
      - And, as usual, the Rest Of The Story - TB - 2/2/2007 5:51:31 PM
      - re: language - TB - 2/2/2007 5:13:11 PM
        
        I second that motion. (n/t) - Lee - 2/2/2007 10:36:16 PM
- What caused the ice age? (n/t) - SDF - 2/2/2007 7:56:07 AM
- very doubtful - Eric - 2/2/2007 4:52:37 AM
- Warming 'Likely' Man-Made, Unstoppable - Donald - 2/2/2007 4:47:45 AM

American Enterprise confronts global warming conference - ER - 2/2/2007 2:16:31 PM
- A bit more on this - TB - 2/4/2007 2:43:54 AM
  - re: A bit more on this - ER - 2/4/2007 5:34:37 AM
    - Another link - TB - 2/5/2007 3:45:26 AM
  - Wasn't that the other thread. ER's post.... - et - 2/4/2007 4:20:46 AM
- re: American Enterprise confronts global warming conference - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 12:26:57 AM
  - LOL! - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/3/2007 8:15:30 AM
- re: American Enterprise confronts global warming conference - TB - 2/2/2007 5:22:49 PM
  - DEE-FENSE! Must be Superbowl weekend. (n/t) - ER - 2/2/2007 6:32:00 PM
    - Care to address the issue? - TB - 2/2/2007 6:44:17 PM
      - Who has the most to lose, and to gain? - ER - 2/2/2007 7:43:44 PM
        
        Go ahead. Follow the money. And the power. - TB - 2/2/2007 8:04:08 PM
        
        The lateral arabesque - ER - 2/2/2007 9:41:59 PM
        
        re: The lateral arabesque - TB - 2/3/2007 7:09:45 AM
        
        Capitalism for Dummies - ER - 2/3/2007 12:59:33 PM
        
        I don't even know where to start. - TB - 2/3/2007 5:56:43 PM
        
        And here I thought SDAI and I were finally converging. - ER - 2/3/2007 6:59:06 PM
        
        re: And here I thought SDAI and I were finally converging. - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 11:10:04 PM
        
        Ideology - TB - 2/3/2007 10:29:40 PM
        
        re: Ideology - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 12:02:41 AM
        
        Small correction: - TB - 2/4/2007 12:34:16 AM
        
        re: Small correction: - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 1:18:50 AM
        
        re: Ideology - ER - 2/3/2007 11:31:09 PM
        
        re: Ideology - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 12:42:11 AM
        
        re: Ideology - TB - 2/4/2007 12:04:23 AM
        
        re: Ideology - ER - 2/4/2007 12:47:50 AM
        
        Original thread - TB - 2/4/2007 2:48:50 AM
        
        Lying? - ER - 2/4/2007 5:20:54 AM
        
        re: Lying? - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 8:29:28 AM
        
        re: Lying? - LS - 2/5/2007 1:21:38 AM
        
        re: Lying? - gbaikie - 2/5/2007 4:58:39 AM
        
        "the experts are not in complete agreement" - et - 2/2/2007 8:02:22 PM
        
        "changing political and business ethic." - TB - 2/2/2007 8:05:13 PM
        
        It's not a communist takeover.... - et - 2/3/2007 9:06:16 PM
      - You bring up a different issue. - alcaray - 2/2/2007 7:38:26 PM
- I've got a lot of tires to burn this weekend. - Scott Evil - 2/2/2007 3:00:49 PM
  - [message deleted] (n/t) - Robert - 2/2/2007 8:41:06 PM
    - Do you think he was really from Austin Arkansas? - Scott Evil - 2/2/2007 8:45:38 PM
      - More than you ever wanted to know about Austin Arkansas - Robert - 2/2/2007 9:03:28 PM
        
        Through intel sources weve been able to Geo-locate his possible coordinates. - Scott Evil - 2/2/2007 11:10:23 PM
  - Let's hope he didn't buy snow tires. (n/t) - ER - 2/2/2007 4:09:16 PM

"How to win in Anbar" - TB - 2/3/2007 6:47:44 PM
- Show it to Bush - a weekend at Camp David and he MIGHT get it. - Bowser - 2/3/2007 9:32:39 PM
  - You still have no idea what you're talking about. - TB - 2/3/2007 10:48:20 PM
    - Why Iraq is lost is summarized in your delusions. 4 quick steps. a primer. - Bowser - 2/4/2007 12:10:55 AM
      - I repeat: - TB - 2/4/2007 12:30:20 AM
        
        The jist: Where do American troops sleep, and where do insurgents sleep? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/4/2007 2:33:29 AM
        
        Tom, use your head. Read Mao, and here's a topical citation. - Bowser - 2/4/2007 2:01:20 AM
        
        re: Tom, use your head. Read Mao, and here's a topical citation. - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 2:56:21 AM
        
        "US troops don't kill innocent citizens." - Bowser - 2/4/2007 6:24:50 AM
        
        re: Read Mao - TB - 2/4/2007 2:31:26 AM
        
        Petraeus has some good ideas. AND, this has gone on longer than WWII. - Bowser - 2/4/2007 2:43:07 AM

"Hooray, We're Capitulating!" - TB - 1/26/2007 7:44:21 AM
- Impeccable piece! - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/26/2007 11:44:18 PM
  - You guys are afraid of your own shadows. (n/t) - Lindy - 1/27/2007 2:35:57 AM
  - All I can say is... - TB - 1/27/2007 12:10:11 AM
- re: A trend - Raoul - 1/26/2007 8:17:39 PM
  - Disgusting - Daniel - 1/27/2007 7:18:15 PM
    - This should do it. (n/t) - RobVG - 2/3/2007 5:38:01 PM
      - thanks (n/t) - D. - 2/4/2007 3:07:58 AM
  - re: Islamophobia - TB - 1/26/2007 11:37:26 PM
    - Understanding what Islam means - Raoul - 1/27/2007 1:22:46 PM
      - Being required to pray five times a day is just dumb. - SDF - 1/27/2007 11:42:34 PM
        
        Watching American Idol is just dumb. (n/t) - Laurie Street - 1/29/2007 6:37:51 AM
        
        re: Who can judge this? (n/t) - Raoul - 1/28/2007 8:07:01 PM
      - Jordan - TB - 1/27/2007 6:33:05 PM
        
        " That the worst threats to ourselves and our planet come from our own government and culture." - Lindy - 1/27/2007 10:53:59 PM
        
        Whatever. - Lee - 1/28/2007 2:53:07 AM
        
        re: Whatever. - Lindy - 1/28/2007 4:16:47 AM
        
        How? - Lee - 1/28/2007 5:06:10 AM
      - It means submission - Lee - 1/27/2007 5:56:05 PM
- Ain't democracy hell. Imagine - minorities have interests and rights. - Bowser - 1/26/2007 5:39:26 PM
  - No-one is trying to force anyone to become Christians - Daniel - 1/27/2007 7:53:33 PM
- "the response so far" - D. - 1/26/2007 9:19:36 AM

"$3T Bush budget to trim domestic programs." - Bowser - 2/3/2007 12:05:18 AM
- You still never actually read the articles, do you? - TB - 2/3/2007 5:34:56 PM
  - There are sops, of course, and a balanced press reports those. - Bowser - 2/3/2007 7:22:46 PM
    - I'll simplify it. - TB - 2/3/2007 10:19:18 PM

Science Panel Says Global Warming Is Unequivocal - Donald - 2/3/2007 6:36:20 AM
- Yep, spring is coming! The groundhog says so too. (n/t) - SDF - 2/3/2007 7:17:41 PM

"Taleban forces retake Afghan town." Depressing - Bowser - 2/2/2007 4:21:34 PM
- re: Now just imagine pulling out of Iraq Democrat style (n/t) - SteveS - 2/2/2007 8:08:06 PM
  - We didn't care about them before the invasion - Lindy - 2/2/2007 8:54:17 PM
  - Precisely the same thing that will happen anyway. - Bowser - 2/2/2007 8:53:52 PM
    - re: More of the same - SteveS - 2/3/2007 2:28:29 PM

"Demise of GOP just took turn for the worse." - Bowser - 2/2/2007 8:16:12 PM
- Great Commentary - Donald - 2/3/2007 4:36:14 AM

Why, at the moment, Bush says the US has no plans to invade Iran. - Bowser - 2/3/2007 2:10:02 AM
- re: Why, at the moment, Bush says the US has no plans to invade Iran. - gbaikie - 2/3/2007 2:48:10 AM

"a little over $100 billion,"- - - on top of $70 billion Congress already approved for the wars this year." - Bowser - 2/2/2007 5:29:12 PM
- Someone said recently it isn't going to cost $2 trillion. - Bowser - 2/2/2007 7:13:10 PM
  - It isn't going to cost $2 trillion. - TB - 2/2/2007 8:14:00 PM
    - Now, now. Yer as accurate as the "$50 to $60 billion" at the beginning. - Bowser - 2/2/2007 8:27:23 PM
      - Might I point out... - TB - 2/2/2007 8:44:13 PM
        
        Compromise. $1.75 trillion. Explain for what. - Bowser - 2/2/2007 8:51:26 PM
        
        re: Explain for what. - TB - 2/2/2007 9:04:03 PM
        
        Tell me again. WMDs? Nukes? Democracy? What're we getting? - Bowser - 2/2/2007 9:39:09 PM
  - "White House welcomes Democratic oversight." Hah, hah, hah. - Bowser - 2/2/2007 7:20:54 PM

Latest dispatch from Michael Yon - TB - 2/2/2007 9:08:00 PM

I didn't know this - "Clocks to spring forward early this year." - Bowser - 2/1/2007 4:03:59 PM
- Sounds like something the Democrats would do - Lindy - 2/1/2007 6:59:58 PM
- nother Y2K like event but with a much shorter timeline to fix (n/t) - Jack Herer - 2/1/2007 4:21:29 PM
  - We did a project to evaluate impact on all of our applications. - alcaray - 2/1/2007 4:41:04 PM
    - Why would setting the clocks forward 1 hour affect anything? (n/t) - SDF - 2/1/2007 10:42:46 PM
      - We applications communicating with each other from literally hundreds of platforms. - alcaray - 2/1/2007 11:33:51 PM
        
        So make calculations based on Universal Time Coordinated instead of local time. - SDF - 2/2/2007 6:19:48 AM
        
        not saying there isn't a solution. just saying that some applications are sensitive to time change. - alcaray - 2/2/2007 5:19:13 PM
      - re: Why would setting the clocks forward 1 hour affect anything? - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 11:32:05 PM

Oil giant Exxon posts record annual profit - Lindy - 2/1/2007 7:47:02 PM
- We need to get moving on methane clathrates... - Scott Evil - 2/2/2007 3:07:04 PM
  - I've got the solution to the methane clathrates mining problem!!! - Scott Evil - 2/2/2007 3:27:04 PM

Near-Cosmic Stupid Act of the Year - TB - 2/1/2007 4:53:10 AM
- Let's be clear what we're talking about here... - et - 2/2/2007 12:36:08 AM
  - re: Let's be clear what we're talking about here... - Lindy - 2/2/2007 2:14:50 AM
    - Lindy, it's not a HOAX. - et - 2/2/2007 4:02:57 AM
      - re: not a HOAX. - TB - 2/2/2007 5:29:32 AM
- Serious Business - Lindy - 2/1/2007 8:42:00 PM
  - Weren't you just chiding the righties for being a bunch of titty-babies? (n/t) - et - 2/2/2007 12:30:07 AM
- Never forget. - Moon-et-nite - 2/1/2007 7:18:12 PM
- Do you just think anything the radio tells you too.... - et - 2/1/2007 7:09:29 PM
- Not as dumb as what Biden said recently. (n/t) - Yeti - 2/1/2007 7:12:33 AM
  - He has a history of dill stomping. - ER - 2/1/2007 4:00:23 PM
    - Actually, that last example was not a very good one. (n/t) - ER - 2/1/2007 4:01:40 PM

California legislator wants to make incandescent bulbs illegal. - TB - 1/31/2007 9:54:08 PM
- Fluorescent bulbs are likely unhealthy. - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/1/2007 10:00:41 PM
  - Link - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/1/2007 10:31:12 PM
- This whole thread has to qualify for some kind of Moebius award or something.... - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 6:05:31 AM
  - The actual issue here... - TB - 2/1/2007 5:39:34 PM
- But are the energy shortages in CA man-made, or just normal variances? - Bowser - 2/1/2007 5:32:00 AM
- In the future, everyone will have a nose stud or two. - SDF - 2/1/2007 3:17:46 AM
  - Power to the people - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 6:03:03 AM
    - Sorry, but I'm totally obsessed with my nose stud gadgetry idea. - SDF - 2/1/2007 9:24:42 PM
- banning trans-fats, and making spanking illegal - Laurie Street - 1/31/2007 10:05:40 PM
  - re: banning trans-fats, and making spanking illegal - Yetster - 1/31/2007 11:51:24 PM
    - re: banning trans-fats, and making spanking illegal - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 4:48:18 AM
      - You have a deadline? Showoff. - TB - 2/1/2007 6:27:04 PM
    - You pretty much cover it. - TB - 2/1/2007 1:57:36 AM
      - I think you missed the other helping of sarcasm in that passage - Yeti - 2/1/2007 3:40:03 AM
        
        Public financing - TB - 2/1/2007 3:54:59 AM
        
        Show me the money. - ER - 2/1/2007 4:27:29 PM
        
        re: Show me the money. - TB - 2/1/2007 5:19:11 PM
        
        In that order - ER - 2/1/2007 6:35:33 PM
  - spanking illegal - Lindy - 1/31/2007 11:31:28 PM
    - Never have spanked, never would - McFly - 2/1/2007 2:52:00 PM
      - I have. - TB - 2/1/2007 5:32:29 PM
        
        Just a personal choice on my part - McFly - 2/1/2007 6:37:33 PM
        
        Very nicely put McFly - Lindy - 2/1/2007 8:22:36 PM
        
        Discipline in schools - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 10:38:19 PM
    - Never spanked a kid... - Arrell - 2/1/2007 7:45:42 AM
      - He he (n/t) - Martha - 2/2/2007 3:10:01 AM
      - ewwww.... Too much info (n/t) - Yeti - 2/1/2007 6:17:18 PM
    - re: spanking illegal - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 6:08:35 AM
    - The law in question only pertains to children younger than 4 years old. (n/t) - alcaray - 2/1/2007 12:02:03 AM
    - re: spanking illegal - Lindy - 1/31/2007 11:35:04 PM
  - Don't flourecent light bulbs get treated as hazordous waste? (n/t) - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 10:42:03 PM
    - They should be, hence my wording of the alternatives line (n/t) - Laurie Street - 1/31/2007 11:29:50 PM
  - (Picturing TB typing away furiously) (n/t) - LS - 1/31/2007 10:27:17 PM
    - He is a libertarian, after all. Many support several of your example positions. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/31/2007 10:49:47 PM
      - True. Curious to see his response to the drugs. - Laurie Street - 1/31/2007 11:28:12 PM
        
        re: True. Curious to see his response to the drugs. - gbaikie - 2/1/2007 12:22:18 AM

Stewart Smally leaving Air America to run for office - FrankC - 2/1/2007 12:04:19 AM
- Franken will win I'm sure - azstrummer - 2/1/2007 4:28:42 PM
  - Well, I suppose who he runs against will factor into the outcome - FrankC - 2/1/2007 8:09:38 PM
    - Certainly could be a factor - azstrummer - 2/1/2007 9:31:20 PM
- Bonzo's daddy ran. And Bonzo became President, too. - Bowser - 2/1/2007 1:00:04 AM

Two facts. There aren't enough troops in Iraq to stop the violence, - Bowser - 2/1/2007 6:05:43 AM
- "I actually don't see it as a slow failure. I actually see it as slow progress." - Bowser - 2/1/2007 9:30:11 PM
- Did that little rascal lie again? - Bowser - 2/1/2007 7:43:35 PM
- re: Two facts. There aren't enough troops in Iraq to stop the violence, - Laurie Street - 2/1/2007 6:12:03 AM

Cheney's Handwritten Notes Implicate Bush in Plame Affair - Jack Herer - 1/31/2007 9:44:55 PM
- And the White House failed to turn over to investigators 250 pages of emails and documents - Lindy - 2/1/2007 1:06:53 AM
- LOL! Jason Leopold, yet again. (n/t) - TB - 1/31/2007 9:49:59 PM
  - Dick Cheney again. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/31/2007 10:53:10 PM
    - Bush again! - Lindy - 2/1/2007 12:00:13 AM
      - Leopold - TB - 2/1/2007 4:55:16 AM
        
        So glad you dont shoot the messenger..... (n/t) - Tony - 2/1/2007 7:14:05 AM
        
        re: So glad you dont shoot the messenger..... - TB - 2/1/2007 5:46:13 PM
        
        While this is true - Tony - 2/1/2007 5:50:02 PM
        
        re: While this is true - TB - 2/1/2007 6:29:18 PM
        
        Dont forget percieved ulterior motives too - Tony - 2/1/2007 7:15:09 PM
      - And to think they impeaced Clinton for lying about a blue dress and a cigar! - Lindy - 2/1/2007 12:14:55 AM

Anti war Grandmothers and Students get Prison Time for Tresspassing - Lindy - 2/1/2007 7:14:16 PM

It's Buddy Rich and Sandy Nelson time - Drums, war, "bring 'em on!" - Bowser - 1/31/2007 4:14:34 AM
- The utter absurdity of it all - McFly - 1/31/2007 2:53:08 PM
- The anti-Iranian stuff is true - TB - 1/31/2007 7:07:35 AM
  - The real sad thing is... - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 11:03:15 PM
    - Thank you Scott - Lindy - 2/1/2007 1:08:56 AM
    - Yeeah. Because our position would be so much stronger if we occupied Iran rather that Iraq right now. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/31/2007 11:18:22 PM
  - "That Iran and Syria have been major troublemakers in Iraq - - - " And the US? (n/t) - Bowser - 1/31/2007 4:53:16 PM

Influence on climate scientists - TB - 1/30/2007 8:25:08 PM
- LOL! - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/31/2007 10:31:33 PM
- It's like watching a train wreck, isn't it? - ER - 1/31/2007 1:47:46 PM
  - Personally, I like to burn tires... - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 11:06:38 PM
  - It's been described as a train wreck in slow motion. (n/t) - et - 1/31/2007 5:58:08 PM
  - Which train wreck? - alcaray - 1/31/2007 4:53:50 PM
    - Agenda-driven government agencies suddenly exposed to the hot needle of inquiry. - ER - 1/31/2007 6:30:07 PM
      - Ouch! - alcaray - 1/31/2007 6:34:24 PM
- Quotes from the executive summary - Laurie Street - 1/30/2007 9:28:42 PM
  - That's why you need the paper. - TB - 1/30/2007 10:05:02 PM
    - Tom....always defending the offenders - Lindy - 1/31/2007 9:26:29 PM
    - re: That's why you need the paper - Fox - 1/31/2007 5:10:18 AM
    - You're trying too hard, TB - Robert - 1/31/2007 1:58:23 AM
    - re: That's why you need the paper. - Yeti - 1/31/2007 1:11:24 AM
      - Politics - TB - 1/31/2007 5:48:19 AM
        
        re: Politics - alcaray - 1/31/2007 11:30:45 PM
        
        Still trying too hard, TB - Robert - 1/31/2007 7:22:02 PM
        
        Look up the "Science Wars" of the 1990s. - TB - 1/31/2007 9:48:27 PM
    - A question - Laurie Street - 1/30/2007 11:08:41 PM
      - What would it take? - TB - 1/31/2007 6:54:48 AM
        
        "I believe that natural cycles are the cause of the majority of what we are seeing now..." - et - 1/31/2007 7:40:01 AM
        
        re: "I believe that natural cycles are the cause of the majority of what we are seeing now..." - gbaikie - 1/31/2007 9:20:05 AM
      - Questions - gbaikie - 1/31/2007 6:40:23 AM
- Preemptive strike, damage control, or the road to Damascus? (n/t) - ER - 1/30/2007 9:06:42 PM
  - Information. - TB - 1/30/2007 9:29:25 PM
- Congressional oversight and exposure is "noise", huh? - et - 1/30/2007 9:04:40 PM
  - A great portion of it, yes. - TB - 1/30/2007 9:07:27 PM
    - I don't think that word means what you think it does. - et - 1/30/2007 9:16:23 PM
      - I see you listened to the sermon last Sunday! - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 11:10:16 PM

Hugo Chavez Officially Declared Dictator of Venezuela - David F Mayer - 1/31/2007 7:09:43 PM
- No wonder the poor are poor. - Lee - 1/31/2007 11:18:55 PM
  - To be fair... - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 11:23:26 PM
- Does this mean that the phrase the "emperor has no clothes" will apply to Chavez? - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 10:59:29 PM

Bush spymaster $2 million/year "consultant". $2,000,000 per annum. - Bowser - 1/31/2007 5:04:10 PM
- He's the man for the job - Lindy - 1/31/2007 5:37:24 PM
  - Clearly. Look at the sacrifice he's making. - Bowser - 1/31/2007 6:28:26 PM
    - Noble - Lindy - 1/31/2007 8:51:54 PM

After 6 years of Bush and democracy, drug producers running Afghanistan. - Bowser - 1/25/2007 4:58:10 PM
- Drugs Funding USA BLACK OPS PROJECTS - carl - 1/25/2007 5:28:19 PM
- So, tell us how President Gore would have dealt with the poppy fields. - TB - 1/25/2007 5:01:16 PM
  - So, tell us how President TB would have dealt with the poppy fields?? (n/t) - I Cognito - 1/26/2007 8:04:51 PM
  - As long as we're engaging in fantasy, tell us how President Dole would have dealt with the poppy fields. (n/t) - Fox - 1/25/2007 6:29:32 PM
    - So now it's "fantasy," again. - TB - 1/25/2007 7:04:04 PM
      - It is when you frame it with events that never occurred. - Fox - 1/26/2007 3:57:51 AM
        
        Not bad. - TB - 1/26/2007 5:20:36 AM
        
        re: "If OUR guys had been in charge all this time, things would be wonderful right now." - alcaray - 1/31/2007 7:12:02 PM
        
        re: For the buy it problem - SteveS - 1/26/2007 3:33:54 PM
        
        re: For the buy it problem - TB - 1/26/2007 5:57:04 PM
      - I've answered this favorite question of yours several times. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/25/2007 7:21:09 PM
  - And that relates, um, how? - Bowser - 1/25/2007 6:18:37 PM
    - "There are a million ways" You have yet to name one. - TB - 1/25/2007 6:56:09 PM
      - I stated the goals. There were a million ways to achieve those goals. - Bowser - 1/26/2007 4:00:48 AM
        
        Me? I'm just looking for one. - TB - 1/26/2007 7:50:10 AM

"Robert McNamara, the Anti-War Left, and the Triumph of Intellectual Dishonesty" - TB - 1/28/2007 6:53:28 AM
- James Webb, interviewed about Iraq - ER - 1/28/2007 10:14:00 PM
  - Incidentally... - TB - 1/28/2007 11:55:32 PM
    - War? Anti War? - Lindy - 1/31/2007 12:50:28 AM
    - Well, I stand corrected. - ER - 1/29/2007 12:08:10 AM
      - re: Well, I stand corrected. - TB - 1/29/2007 12:16:51 AM
  - "created a lot more terrorists" - TB - 1/28/2007 11:50:54 PM
    - You occupy a country, people rise up to oppose you - alcaray - 1/31/2007 6:26:59 PM
    - Logic - Laurie Street - 1/29/2007 1:33:52 AM
      - re: Logic - TB - 1/29/2007 2:25:11 AM
        
        re: Logic - Laurie Street - 1/29/2007 6:36:03 AM
        
        re: Logic - TB - 1/29/2007 3:06:21 PM
        
        re: Logic - gbaikie - 1/29/2007 11:36:48 AM
    - Let me explain - ER - 1/29/2007 12:43:50 AM
      - Question: - TB - 1/29/2007 2:22:19 AM
        
        Answer: It's not good tank country - ER - 1/29/2007 3:32:24 AM
        
        Check the number of U.S. troops now in Afghanistan. - TB - 1/29/2007 6:15:58 AM
        
        I am reassured. - ER - 1/29/2007 1:52:41 PM
        
        Wasn't the point. - TB - 1/29/2007 2:54:59 PM
        
        You've got more slapping to do - ER - 1/29/2007 3:53:44 PM
        
        There were no troop reductions. - TB - 1/29/2007 4:36:47 PM
        
        re: Answer: It's not good tank country - gbaikie - 1/29/2007 4:38:34 AM
        
        Achtung Panzer! - ER - 1/29/2007 2:18:33 PM
- re:Webb - SteveS - 1/28/2007 4:27:52 PM
  - I honestly think the significance of the author went right over some people's heads. (n/t) - TB - 1/28/2007 9:12:30 PM
- Intellectual Dishonesty - Donald - 1/28/2007 3:45:02 PM
  - re: Intellectual Dishonesty - TB - 1/28/2007 9:17:38 PM
    - Webb - Donald - 1/28/2007 10:08:57 PM
  - "And while were at it,............." - Lindy - 1/28/2007 4:07:57 PM
    - re: "And while were at it,............." - Donald - 1/28/2007 4:23:39 PM
- re: The effects of patriotism - Raoul - 1/28/2007 10:56:16 AM

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