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Guantanamo detainees - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2005 5:22:55 AM
- Non-Guantanamo Bay secret detainees - Alan G. Archer - 6/9/2005 3:17:47 PM
- re: Guantanamo detainees - Doug Ellison - 6/9/2005 8:47:09 AM
  - When did any regular POW get a trial? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2005 10:13:54 PM
    - re: When did any regular POW get a trial? - Doug Ellison - 6/10/2005 1:13:34 PM
      - Really? There are no attacks in Afghanistan any more? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2005 12:46:59 AM

Bush administration caught editing science data...again! - Jack Herer - 6/8/2005 12:58:36 PM
- I wonder - gbaikie - 6/9/2005 3:03:45 AM
  - Link to UN editing? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/9/2005 2:58:08 PM
    - re: Link to UN editing? - gbaikie - 6/10/2005 3:03:32 AM
      - Thanks, I had forgotten that story (n/t) - alcaray - 6/10/2005 3:04:16 PM
- EVERYTHING they do is edited for political or financial gain - Lindy - 6/8/2005 2:48:37 PM
- They can't be trusted - Donald - 6/8/2005 1:24:24 PM

Former CIA Director John M. Deutch: Get out of Iraq "as soon as possible" - Eric - 6/10/2005 3:40:23 AM

So remember when I said that if you treat our soldiers, reserves, and guardsmen like... - alcaray - 6/9/2005 9:45:35 PM
- missing link - alcaray - 6/9/2005 9:47:00 PM

More on Syria - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2005 5:18:22 AM

POLL: Iraq war hasn't made America safer - Donald - 6/8/2005 12:53:28 PM
- Meanwhile: 1,682 - Donald - 6/8/2005 12:54:40 PM
  - And: The price of war - Donald - 6/8/2005 2:15:33 PM
    - re: The price of war - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2005 3:09:54 PM
      - Once again... - Donald - 6/8/2005 8:39:48 PM
        
        re: Once again... - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2005 4:47:43 AM
      - More details - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2005 6:27:25 PM

Why you haven't heard as much about DeLay lately... - Tom Brosz - 6/7/2005 3:25:28 PM
- or perhaps, just perhaps, there's been no new news? (n/t) - Tony - 6/7/2005 6:06:06 PM
  - That never stopped the media before. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/7/2005 10:01:50 PM
    - So..... - Tony - 6/8/2005 3:35:20 PM
      - re: So..... - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2005 6:56:25 PM
        
        If they had an agenda.... - Tony - 6/9/2005 4:14:17 AM
    - With DeLay, the wait is never long. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/7/2005 10:34:31 PM

In Zimbabwe, oppression grows even worse. - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 1:28:55 PM
- But at least it's not a gulag. (n/t) - Sam F. - 6/1/2005 2:01:54 PM
  - I will bet that whatever prison these poor schmucks are sent to - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 5:25:17 PM
    - Why should you care? They're in the wrong place at the wrong time. - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:09:20 PM
      - Because these guys were not caught in the act of terrorism. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 6/8/2005 4:27:34 PM
        
        Neither were many of the men caught in the US dragnet. - Mary Anne - 6/8/2005 9:03:24 PM

Pretty good recap of how we got here... - alcaray - 6/8/2005 8:16:26 PM

Enemies, Foreign and DOMESTIC - SDF - 6/8/2005 5:53:05 PM

Question re betting with strangers on global warming - pwokenyaw - 6/5/2005 9:23:17 PM
- What you need is called an arbitrage. - Scott Evil - 6/6/2005 9:19:28 PM
  - re: What you need is called an arbitrage. - pwokenyaw - 6/7/2005 12:42:27 AM
- re: Don't bet on it - Johannes - 6/6/2005 6:05:28 AM
  - well if you feel like betting, I'm up for it. - pwokenyaw - 6/8/2005 3:07:23 AM
    - Looks like no one will "put up"... - alcaray - 6/8/2005 5:34:06 PM
  - re: Don't bet on it - gbaikie - 6/6/2005 11:51:38 AM
    - despite your proof to the contrary... - alcaray - 6/6/2005 5:29:19 PM

Bush administration caught editing science data...again! - Jack Herer - 6/8/2005 12:58:33 PM

1,679 - Donald - 6/8/2005 12:58:52 AM

Judicial activism in Kansas - Larry J - 6/7/2005 1:43:05 AM
- The taxpayers aren't the first to feel the pain in this case. - Mary Anne - 6/7/2005 9:21:04 AM
- Perspective - Donald - 6/7/2005 4:18:12 AM
- More - Fox - 6/7/2005 2:13:45 AM
  - Re: "separation of powers" - Fox - 6/7/2005 5:48:52 PM

Zimbabwe: Cambodia 2? - Tom Brosz - 6/7/2005 1:43:13 AM
- Not Cambodia 2, but USSR 12 - David F Mayer - 6/7/2005 3:07:57 PM

Republicans Rebuffed in Washington State Governors Race Challenge - Donald - 6/7/2005 4:03:23 AM
- Commentary - Donald - 6/7/2005 4:12:34 AM

Anniversary of D-Day - Tom Brosz - 6/7/2005 1:32:14 AM

Good News From Afghanistan, Part 13 - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2005 5:13:47 PM
- Chrenkoff's good electricity news from Iraq summarized here - pwokenyaw - 6/6/2005 5:28:57 PM
  - Plus domestic flights begin from Baghdad to Basra. - Lee - 6/7/2005 1:24:59 AM

Amnesty International called U.S. prisons "Gulag of our times." - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 3:45:04 AM
- Amnesty says, "OK, so it's not a gulag." - David F Mayer - 6/6/2005 1:02:39 PM
- A lot more via Glenn Reynolds. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 2:49:36 AM
  - Nobody likes the word, ergo... - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 8:15:04 PM
    - Words have meanings. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 11:20:42 PM
      - So do actions. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 11:34:39 PM
        
        re: Actions. - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 12:26:42 AM
        
        P.S. FWIW, I don't agree with the use of the term gulag - Tony - 6/4/2005 2:10:07 AM
        
        re: P.S. FWIW, I don't agree with the use of the term gulag - gbaikie - 6/7/2005 12:01:13 AM
        
        Thanks. It took me 3 days... - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 2:18:54 AM
        
        that's a reverse of normal ;-) - tony - 6/5/2005 6:04:55 AM
        
        Stop dealing in absolutes and you may understand. (n/t) - Tony - 6/4/2005 2:04:58 AM
        
        Pretty much done. Yeah. - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 1:08:57 AM
- From the Wall Street Journal - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 11:26:50 PM
- Not "US prisons", but "Guantanamo", was the subject. - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 6:20:54 PM
  - Sorry, they are combattants. - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:30:29 AM
    - Not all of them. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:15:46 PM
      - There is no way to tell one from another. - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:02:33 PM
        
        Ah, justice and mercy... - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:30:53 PM
        
        Justice and mercy do NOT exist in warfare. Sorry, wrong game. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:19:19 PM
        
        Without justice and mercy, there is no honor. - Mary Anne - 5/31/2005 1:17:35 PM
        
        You just do not get it. - David F Mayer - 5/31/2005 1:24:36 PM
        
        I'm looking at a bigger picture than you are. - Mary Anne - 5/31/2005 1:33:17 PM
        
        War is Hell. It will remain that way. People will be held - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 5:29:13 PM
        
        That's no answer. - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 9:31:21 PM
        
        No kidding. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 10:05:17 PM
        
        It is WAR. - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:21:24 PM
        
        Is WAR a synonym for VIDEO GAME for you? - Tony - 5/31/2005 1:53:03 PM
        
        Prisoners Must be Held Until Conclusion: The annhilation of Al Qaeda - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 6:21:46 PM
        
        The Nazi Party still exists. Why aren't we still holding German POWs? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:15:25 PM
        
        Complete disconnect. - Tom Brosz - 6/1/2005 11:42:25 PM
        
        Exactly: We aren't fighting the same kind of war. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 12:48:22 AM
        
        re: same kind of war. - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 3:48:23 AM
        
        Again: We haven't done as many bad things as they have = we're good. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 1:30:05 PM
        
        Moral relativism - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 5:28:16 PM
        
        In a perfect world... - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/4/2005 12:46:22 AM
        
        and that is over when exactly? - Tony - 6/1/2005 6:55:50 PM
        
        "Game Over -- Play Again?" (n/t) - Fox - 6/1/2005 1:32:07 AM
        
        Iraqi Invasion - the game - Tony - 6/1/2005 2:20:28 PM
        
        Camps - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 10:19:33 PM
  - You're quite right there - Sam F. - 5/28/2005 10:34:04 PM
    - "The Holocaust of our times" has been done, just as you describe it. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 1:37:43 AM
      - Gu-gu-gu. Lag-lag-lag. Is all I want to say to you. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 2:35:33 AM
        
        And incidentally, no, I wasn't suggesting or implying anything of the sort. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:55:29 AM
        
        Yes, it is old news. That's why I chose it. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 4:27:11 AM
        
        Apolitical means that politics doesn't enter into criticism. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:26:08 PM
        
        OK: "organisation" and "programme": where are you from? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:17:42 PM
        
        A former British colony, like you. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 5:29:06 PM
        
        It makes a difference. POV. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:33:08 PM
        
        See my reply to Tom, below. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:39:41 AM
        
        Oh, Mary Anne! You go, girl! YOU GO! - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:00:18 AM
        
        Excuse me. "Gu Gu Gu Lag Lag Lag" doesn't exactly put you in a position to criticize me for condescension. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:03:55 AM
        
        Actually, I was probably trying to be too clever. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:27:38 AM
        
        OK. Peace. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:31:16 AM
        
        Back at you. :-) - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:48:12 AM
      - Language as a tool - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 2:08:16 AM
        
        you can define leftist any way you want - alcaray - 5/31/2005 9:22:23 PM
        
        "Soft bigotry of low expectations" comes immediately to mind (n/t) - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 2:51:28 AM
        
        This year's report: - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:35:28 AM
        
        Interesting - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 4:15:59 AM
        
        How can you tell what it's like if no one is allowed in to see it? - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:11:30 PM
        
        Guantanamo is not a gulag, Mary Anne, it's that simple - Sam F. - 6/1/2005 6:36:45 AM
        
        OK, it's a gulagette. They all start somewhere. - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:27:10 PM
        
        Just for the record... - Tom Brosz - 6/1/2005 11:57:26 PM
        
        I remember Michelle Malkin. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 12:56:04 AM
        
        So, what would make you happy? - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 3:55:22 AM
        
        Voluntary proactive humane treatment... - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 1:24:07 PM
        
        re: humane treatment - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 6:09:32 PM
        
        Oh, forget it. - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 1:00:45 AM
        
        Poor lost souls - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 7:22:21 AM
        
        How we treat our enemies - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 1:56:39 PM
        
        re: How we treat our enemies - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 10:11:31 PM
        
        I can tell you know I'm right by the way you exaggerate. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 1:10:38 AM
- Jose Padilla : U.S. Citizen Imprisoned Without Trial or Charges for 3 Years and 19 Days - Eric - 5/28/2005 5:30:26 AM
  - Poor, misunderstood, Jose Padilla - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:39:28 AM
    - The next time you cite Wikipedia, remember it's an experiment, not an authoritative source. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:26:11 PM
      - "executing 14-year-olds is sick, and is not the hallmark of a civilized nation. " - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:03:54 PM
        
        Fortunetelling - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:29:48 PM
        
        I don't give a damn whether his is "beyond redemption" or not. - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:24:28 PM
- Advocating the systematic torture of random folks is offensive to all except - - - - Bowser - 5/28/2005 4:31:39 AM
  - Remember. - Bowser - 5/28/2005 4:35:54 AM
    - Media and prisoners - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 5:37:05 AM
      - The key to your comparison: 1973 - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 1:43:32 PM
        
        Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 9:44:14 PM
        
        Amnesty International has been pursuing the same goals since 1961. - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 10:10:15 PM
      - Whoops. That was supposed to be under Gary's post. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 5:38:21 AM
- Pathetic - Gary - 5/28/2005 4:29:51 AM
  - Why don't you look at the conditions in US prisons, and who is being held there? - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 1:28:38 PM

What's happening in Fallujah - Two views - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 7:11:34 AM
- Dahr Jamail is a real peach - Gary - 6/3/2005 4:27:16 PM
  - Why do conservatives believe individual thought and expression are out of bounds?? - Lindy - 6/4/2005 5:02:42 PM
    - Individual thought and expression are just fine. - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 6:08:37 PM
- re: What's happening in Fallujah - Two views - Doug Ellison - 6/3/2005 10:05:16 AM
  - re: Two views - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 9:56:28 PM
    - Tom, in your eyes the US can do no wrong - Lindy - 6/4/2005 5:31:12 PM
    - Have you ever wondered... - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 2:35:37 AM
      - Credibility has little to do with it. - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 3:44:51 AM
        
        Who said anything about Bush? - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 11:33:00 AM
        
        re: Who said anything about Bush? - gbaikie - 6/5/2005 1:57:43 AM
        
        A compelling case [Caution: Long post] - Mary Anne - 6/5/2005 6:01:40 PM
        
        re: A compelling case [Caution: Long post] - gbaikie - 6/6/2005 12:21:17 PM
        
        As I expected. - Mary Anne - 6/6/2005 1:20:58 PM
        
        What would you expect? - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2005 4:45:07 PM
        
        Why would I believe it? - Mary Anne - 6/6/2005 6:54:03 PM
        
        If we elect our government, our government represents us. - Mary Anne - 6/5/2005 4:29:28 PM
        
        re: If we elect our government, our government represents us. - gbaikie - 6/6/2005 12:34:00 PM
        
        You didn't read a single word I wrote. - Mary Anne - 6/6/2005 1:24:47 PM
        
        re: You didn't read a single word I wrote. - gbaikie - 6/6/2005 8:06:03 PM
        
        "Hearts and minds" - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 5:57:14 PM
        
        re: Credibility has little to do with it. - Doug Ellison - 6/4/2005 6:44:55 AM
    - re: Two views - Doug Ellison - 6/3/2005 11:59:21 PM
      - Hardly - Mark Eby - 6/4/2005 2:55:30 AM
        
        I disagree with you on some points - Gary - 6/4/2005 5:23:56 AM
        
        It's Debatable - Mark Eby - 6/4/2005 10:31:15 PM
        
        re: It's Debatable - Doug Ellison - 6/4/2005 11:00:18 PM
        
        Good Idea In Theory - Mark Eby - 6/5/2005 2:19:58 AM
        
        Theory - Tom Brosz - 6/5/2005 3:40:57 AM
    - Examining why we believe things - Buck Galaxy - 6/3/2005 10:30:06 PM
      - Not sure why you bring up Clinton - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 11:15:17 PM
  - Sound farfetched. No charges have been brought. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 6/3/2005 5:43:34 PM

They never existed, and now they're gone! - Tom Brosz - 6/5/2005 5:13:00 AM
- The U.N. report - Tom Brosz - 6/5/2005 11:18:23 PM
- They did exist, Tom. Cheney, Rummy, Bush the First sold them to Iraq. - Bowser - 6/5/2005 7:12:53 AM
  - re: They did exist, Tom. Cheney, Rummy, Bush the First sold them to Iraq. - gbaikie - 6/5/2005 12:08:16 PM
    - "It's just a pack of lies. There is no evidence of this. " - Bowser - 6/5/2005 9:46:12 PM
      - re: pack of lies - Tom Brosz - 6/5/2005 10:46:13 PM
        
        And you, too, are denying the US under Reagan supplied WMDs to Iraq? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/6/2005 1:41:04 AM
        
        If you've got something, cough it up. - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2005 1:47:21 AM
        
        Another thought. - Bowser - 6/6/2005 5:18:57 AM
        
        Are you denying the US supplied under Reagan supplied Iraq with WMDs? - Bowser - 6/6/2005 4:10:35 AM
        
        So yer denying the US under Reagan supplied WMDs to Iraq? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/6/2005 1:40:03 AM
        
        Iraq was in a war with Iran, I imagine we sold them lots of things. - Lee - 6/6/2005 6:24:17 AM
        
        I've read the same articles Bowser has. - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2005 6:54:53 AM
        
        You're right. - Lee - 6/6/2005 12:15:20 PM
        
        re: I've read the same articles Bowser has. - Alan G. Archer - 6/6/2005 7:45:21 AM
        
        Looting - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2005 4:17:13 PM
        
        Let me help you - Alan G. Archer - 6/6/2005 7:51:31 PM
        
        Most potent aid - Alan G. Archer - 6/6/2005 12:44:52 AM
    - Did I miss something? - Lindy - 6/5/2005 5:41:15 PM

Operation Lightning - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 9:23:59 PM
- Operation Lightning, if successful, will be the paradigm - David F Mayer - 6/5/2005 6:11:11 AM
  - The terrorists haven't given the Iraqis any alternatives - Gary - 6/6/2005 5:26:46 AM
    - The terrorists are NOT trying to win the - David F Mayer - 6/6/2005 1:06:36 PM
      - Terrorism as a tactic - Gary - 6/6/2005 3:35:11 PM

Businesses screwed over by Castro and the communists. - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 9:42:55 PM
- More suckers like these are born every minute. - David F Mayer - 6/5/2005 6:17:30 AM
  - re: More suckers like these are born every minute. - gbaikie - 6/5/2005 12:38:48 PM
- Sorta like Halliburton taking over the Iraqi oilfields, isn't it? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/5/2005 3:09:00 AM
  - Just out of curiosity, do you ever actually look anything up? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/5/2005 3:42:20 AM
    - You are a master if innuendo, rather than content. (n/t) - Bowser - 6/5/2005 4:55:27 AM

London umbrella assassin is named - gbaikie - 6/5/2005 12:26:53 PM

"a guardâ€™s urine came through an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran" - Bowser - 6/4/2005 5:44:17 AM
- "...the nadir of responsible thought about the war on terror." - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 11:04:04 PM
  - If you don't want it known, don't do it!! - Bowser - 6/5/2005 3:10:58 AM
- The American public deserves to know what is being done in our name - Eric - 6/4/2005 5:03:57 PM
- Tom called spot on. (n/t) - gbaikie - 6/4/2005 6:01:30 AM
  - The actual report... - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 6:49:48 AM
    - re: The actual report... "We consider this a confirmed incident." (n/t) - Bowser - 6/4/2005 8:06:37 PM
  - And what do you think? - Bowser - 6/4/2005 6:46:49 AM
    - You just don't get it Bowser, do you? - Lindy - 6/4/2005 4:50:23 PM
      - re: You just don't get it Bowser, do you? - gbaikie - 6/4/2005 9:30:47 PM
        
        Save your fingers (n/t) - Sam F. - 6/5/2005 5:28:55 AM

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