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Have you hugged your kid today? - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 10:31:16 AM
- Re: Have you hugged your kid today? - Buck Galaxy - 4/15/2002 5:53:47 PM
- Is this really surprising? - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/15/2002 5:09:29 PM
  - Re: Heroes are preferred dead . . . - D. Spires - 4/16/2002 7:36:58 PM
    - Re: Heroes are preferred dead . . . - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/17/2002 8:01:39 AM
- Kids and politics - Mary Anne - 4/15/2002 2:01:35 PM
- History is written by the winners. Wars are won by the toughest and smartest. - ebnelson - 4/15/2002 1:46:05 PM
  - Another way to phrase your question, Ed: - Mary Anne - 4/15/2002 2:11:39 PM
    - Re: As long as you're asking -- I'm already there, Mary Anne . . . - D. Spires - 4/16/2002 7:26:58 PM
      - I couldn't - FrankC - 4/16/2002 9:03:25 AM
        
        Re: It's understood . . . - D. Spires - 4/16/2002 9:41:11 AM
    - it brings to mind a talk I had with my father once - McFly - 4/16/2002 2:18:28 PM
      - Sadness and strength - RobVG - 4/16/2002 3:50:51 PM
      - Re: it brings to mind a talk I had with my father once - Larry J - 4/16/2002 3:36:28 PM
    - Yes. I heard on NPR a report that Pentagon is researching what to do about child soldiers. - ebnelson - 4/15/2002 2:50:50 PM
- Re: No . . . - D. Spires - 4/15/2002 12:39:25 PM
- Re: Have you hugged your kid today? - Bowser - 4/15/2002 11:16:26 AM
  - Re: A pistol for defense . . . ? - D. Spires - 4/15/2002 12:41:37 PM
- You know Tom, they say that sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words - Matt Burley - 4/15/2002 10:41:51 AM

Israelis v Palestinians - Raoul - 4/15/2002 8:45:20 AM
- It's my impression - Bowser - 4/15/2002 10:33:36 AM
- Re: Israelis v Palestinians - Success_Machine - 4/15/2002 9:27:03 AM
  - You raise an interesting point - alcaray - 4/16/2002 7:24:35 PM
    - Re: You raise an interesting point - RobVG - 4/16/2002 7:44:47 PM
    - It could also explain why Palistinian claims of children being killed by Isrealie's fall on deaf ears - Scott - 4/16/2002 11:07:27 AM
  - Re: Israelis v Palestinians - Bowser - 4/15/2002 9:51:05 AM
    - Re: Israelis v Palestinians - gbaikie - 4/16/2002 8:19:57 AM
      - Re: Israelis v Palestinians - gbaikie - 4/16/2002 8:40:36 AM
    - Re: Israelis v Palestinians - SM - 4/15/2002 11:07:50 AM
      - Poverty - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 1:25:11 PM
        
        Re: Poverty - alcaray - 4/16/2002 7:17:05 PM
        
        "Free market economy" - Bowser - 4/15/2002 3:00:06 PM
        
        Re: expensive drugs - Tom Brosz - 4/16/2002 11:00:30 AM
    - Re: civil disobedience - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 10:48:59 AM
      - Civil disobedience and Sharon - Bowser - 4/16/2002 5:32:23 PM
        
        Re: Civil disobedience and Sharon - FrankC - 4/16/2002 7:13:30 PM
        
        Interesting points. - Bowser - 4/16/2002 8:12:34 AM
        
        Au contraire - FrankC - 4/16/2002 9:33:33 AM
        
        C'mon, now. - Bowser - 4/16/2002 2:03:20 PM
        
        Oh puuleeez - FrankC - 4/16/2002 3:53:47 PM
  - Re: Israelis v Palestinians - Raoul - 4/15/2002 9:50:39 AM
    - Despair, lack of vision and education. - Marcia - 4/15/2002 11:30:55 AM

A partial reply to E.P. Grondine's... - alcaray - 4/16/2002 7:43:31 PM
- Solution remains the same: UN Deployment - E.P. Grondine - 4/16/2002 6:22:16 PM
- I'd love to hear of examples where UN deployments... - Larry J - 4/16/2002 12:46:20 PM
  - They're only useful after the shooting has stopped - Gary - 4/16/2002 4:44:08 PM

Insight into Euro Attitudes Towards Israel - p - 4/14/2002 9:49:59 AM
- Re: Insight into Euro Attitudes Towards Israel - alcaray - 4/16/2002 10:35:55 AM
  - Re: Insight into Euro Attitudes Towards Israel - Bowser - 4/16/2002 5:35:31 PM
- You're from Massachusetts, right? - Mary Anne - 4/15/2002 2:36:16 PM
- Ugly! - FrankC - 4/14/2002 3:13:08 PM

Is this too good to be true? - ebnelson - 4/15/2002 3:40:30 PM
- Re: Is this too good to be true? - Success_Machine - 4/15/2002 3:54:28 PM
- Re: No, but kind of pointless... - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 3:51:25 PM
  - I would agree... I expected the dateline to be April Fools Day, but it wasn't - Scott - 4/16/2002 4:13:54 PM

Explosion damages buildings in Yemen's capital (AP) - Marcia - 4/16/2002 11:42:17 AM

Canada first supplier of oil to the US ? - Success_Machine - 4/14/2002 4:43:48 PM
- Updated figures from the International Trade Administration - Matt Burley - 4/14/2002 7:12:49 PM
  - Re: Fair number from western hemisphere - S_M - 4/14/2002 9:45:59 AM
- Whol will supply US after Sharon seizes the West Bank? - E.P. Grondine - 4/14/2002 5:57:00 PM
  - Re: Whol will supply US after Sharon seizes the West Bank? - alcaray - 4/16/2002 10:40:15 AM

More from Pournelle - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 4:10:47 PM
- Solution remains the same: UN Deployment (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 4/15/2002 4:46:11 PM
- As a fan of Pournelle's for many years, I am disappointed by his naivete. n/t - ebnelson - 4/15/2002 4:43:04 PM
  - Re: As a fan of Pournelle's for many years, I am disappointed by his naivete. n/t - Bowser - 4/15/2002 5:21:44 PM

the Time pic I referenced earlier... - McFly - 4/13/2002 6:14:33 PM
- Either way they are soldiers - FrankC - 4/13/2002 12:17:35 PM
  - Re: Either way they are soldiers, not! - Bowser - 4/13/2002 12:54:00 PM
    - I am familiar with your sentiments - FrankC - 4/14/2002 7:04:56 PM
      - Evolution in action? - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 4:04:29 PM
    - The Palestinian leadership wants Israel extinct. - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 1:00:40 PM
      - Re: not the Palestinian leadership, but..... - Raoul - 4/14/2002 2:17:25 PM
      - Double standard? Nope. - Bowser - 4/13/2002 2:13:38 PM
        
        Fairness - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 3:25:27 PM
        
        OK, talk to me about fairness. - Bowser - 4/13/2002 3:44:10 PM
        
        Re: OK, talk to me about fairness. - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 3:54:22 PM
        
        No. Israel is going to stay. - Bowser - 4/13/2002 4:16:07 PM
        
        Criminals or enemy soldiers? - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 4:32:52 PM
        
        Re: ". . .life in the Mideast can return to normal." - Mary Anne - 4/15/2002 2:20:42 PM
        
        In my opinion - - - - Bowser - 4/15/2002 8:52:05 AM
        
        the ground shakes when you guys grapple, but it's nice knowing no one's gonna get hurt :-) n/t (n/t) - McFly - 4/15/2002 9:21:27 AM
        
        Not as much as it used to. Lost five pounds. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 1:27:14 PM
        
        Interesting excerpt from article by Efraim Karsh, on history of Arab violence to destroy Israel - Matt Burley - 4/13/2002 3:39:16 PM
        
        Not too bad, but leaves out the good parts - E.P. Grondine - 4/14/2002 6:17:11 PM
        
        Re: Using violence to justify violence - Mary Anne - 4/14/2002 3:59:35 PM
        
        Shaken human syndrome - FrankC - 4/14/2002 7:25:31 PM

Ex-Venezuelan leader to exit country. - Marcia - 4/13/2002 12:43:33 PM
- There may be a counter coup. This could get very bad. - ebnelson - 4/13/2002 4:27:58 PM
- "I'm not dead yet!" - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 3:43:32 PM
  - Re: "I'm not dead yet!" this alone is proof the CIA was not involved. - ebnelson - 4/14/2002 8:43:46 AM
  - Eating the rich. - Bowser - 4/13/2002 4:27:28 PM
    - Good point... - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 3:54:09 PM
      - Re: Good point...? - Bowser - 4/15/2002 4:24:27 PM
        
        Re: possible clarification - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2002 11:08:35 AM
- Maybe not. There appears to be some confusion in Venezuela - Matt Burley - 4/13/2002 3:28:41 PM

Colin Powell - Bowser - 4/15/2002 12:44:50 PM
- Ultimately, he will. - Marcia - 4/15/2002 12:56:03 PM

Monday morning and all is not well in the middle east. - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/15/2002 12:23:57 PM

IRS Pays $30M in bogus tax credits for slavery reparations - p - 4/15/2002 10:01:23 AM

Venezuela gets very bad. - ebnelson - 4/14/2002 2:41:22 PM
- Oil prices back up - E.P. Grondine - 4/14/2002 5:53:15 PM

Venezuela changes leaders - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 2:12:57 PM
- People who ove freedom and care about Venezuela have been hoping for this for sometime. n/t (n/t) - ebnelson - 4/12/2002 3:40:37 PM
  - People who love cheap oil have been hoping for this for about 6 weeks - E.P. Grondine - 4/13/2002 3:33:42 PM
    - Re: People who love cheap oil have been hoping for this for about 6 weeks - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:22:50 PM
    - You have maybe not paid attention to what Chavez was doing over the last two years. - ebnelson - 4/13/2002 5:02:16 PM
      - US citizens mostly don't pay much attention to South America, Ed - Mary Anne - 4/14/2002 4:25:32 PM
      - Right about that - E.P. Grondine - 4/13/2002 11:43:54 AM

Fascination with thre morbid - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/14/2002 1:32:53 PM

Pournelle on the Middle East - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2002 12:47:12 PM
- Re: Pournelle on the Middle East, Part 2 - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 7:04:23 PM
- Good history. Good analysis. Thanks! n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 4/12/2002 4:10:49 PM
- Re: What about the women? - Success_Machine - 4/11/2002 2:26:40 PM
  - Re: What about the women? - Success_Machine - 4/11/2002 2:29:34 PM
    - Re: What about the women? - Raoul - 4/11/2002 5:45:56 PM
      - The below should be posted under S-M's post. - Bowser - 4/11/2002 6:16:31 PM
      - Re: What about the women? - Bowser - 4/11/2002 6:13:53 PM
        
        understanding fails me - McFly - 4/12/2002 4:00:57 PM
        
        Re: understanding - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 6:28:09 PM
        
        Re: understanding - Bowser - 4/12/2002 7:38:53 PM
        
        Re: understanding - Publius - 4/12/2002 1:48:21 PM
        
        Beyond the fun and games. - Bowser - 4/13/2002 7:24:27 PM
        
        Palestinian ideals - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:54:14 PM
        
        Re: Keeping suicide bombers out. - Success_Machine - 4/12/2002 12:26:53 PM
        
        Re: Keeping suicide bombers out. - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 2:03:39 PM
        
        Now I give up. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 10:24:50 AM
        
        I gave up first! n/t (n/t) - Bowser - 4/13/2002 7:34:17 PM
        
        I couldn't find that pic online - McFly - 4/12/2002 8:30:41 AM

What do the really Palestinians want anyway? - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 10:57:10 AM
- Not exactly the U.S. Constitution, huh? - Matt Burley - 4/12/2002 2:29:06 PM
- Re: What do the really Palestinians want anyway? - Publius - 4/12/2002 1:21:58 PM
  - Re: What do the really Palestinians want anyway? - gbaikie - 4/13/2002 11:39:54 AM
- Re: Palestinians want Israel gone! (n/t) - Publius - 4/12/2002 12:58:06 PM
  - And how many Zionists have stated they want the same for Palestinians? - ebnelson - 4/12/2002 3:49:07 PM
    - Statebuilding - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 4:23:16 PM
      - Which is why we shouldn't get involved - Lee - 4/13/2002 9:12:27 AM
        
        Suspend the $5 billion per year the US sends Israel in military and economic aid? - E.P. Grondine - 4/13/2002 11:48:06 AM
        
        You betcha. - Lee - 4/13/2002 3:26:35 PM
- Re: Dyslexia Dept.: What do the Palestinians really want anyway? (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 10:58:37 AM
  - What do the Palestinians really want anyway? (n/t) - Raoul - 4/12/2002 11:41:27 AM
    - Time to think. - Marcia - 4/12/2002 12:49:24 PM
      - Powell - Buck Galaxy - 4/13/2002 7:13:56 PM
        
        PLA condemns the suicide bombing against civilians. - Marcia - 4/13/2002 1:22:28 PM
        
        "This Time For Sure, Rocky!" - Bullwinkle J. Moose - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:46:03 PM
        
        "Hope Springs Eternal" - Marcia - 4/13/2002 11:41:21 AM

Waaaaah Point your cameras at me!!!!! - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/13/2002 10:52:29 AM
- have they learned nothing...? - McFly - 4/13/2002 7:10:33 PM
- Re: Elected leaders - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:14:32 PM
- Re: As I stated to Bowser . . . - D. Spires - 4/13/2002 9:36:38 AM

Boy, that didn't take long - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 11:07:48 AM
- [Warning: pointless post] I ain't got no problem with a World Government, provided... - McFly - 4/13/2002 6:50:53 PM
  - Re: not that pointless - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:57:20 PM
- Re: Boy, that didn't take long - p - 4/13/2002 1:20:42 PM
  - World Court - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:39:57 PM
  - There's that link! - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:25:42 PM

How come medical insurance is not tax deductable? - E.P. Grondine - 4/13/2002 3:40:47 PM
- Re: medical insurance is tax deductable - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2002 6:08:22 PM
- Re: How come medical insurance is not tax deductable? - p - 4/13/2002 5:30:47 PM
- See IRS guidance on Medical and Dental Expenses, including insurance premiums - Matt Burley - 4/13/2002 8:01:33 AM

Defining the issue: the settlements - E.P. Grondine - 4/12/2002 9:37:43 AM
- The settlements had nothing to do with September 11 - Matt Burley - 4/12/2002 3:42:42 PM
  - If you think the illegal settlements ahve nothing at all to do with this - ebnelson - 4/12/2002 3:50:33 PM
    - Hey, I agree that the settlements are wrong - Matt Burley - 4/12/2002 4:03:08 PM
- Re: Defining the issue: the settlements - Marcia - 4/12/2002 10:11:26 AM
  - Re: Defining the issue: the settlements - Bowser - 4/12/2002 10:45:33 AM
    - Re: Israel/Palestine was never a factor in the hit on the World Trade Center & Pentagon . . . - D. Spires - 4/13/2002 3:51:00 PM
    - Re: Defining the issue: the settlements - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2002 11:00:15 AM
      - Saudi Arabia's help. - Marcia - 4/12/2002 12:33:42 PM
      - One more try. - Bowser - 4/12/2002 11:32:51 AM
        
        JC Bowser. - RobVG - 4/12/2002 1:10:24 PM
        
        JC Bowser?? - Bowser, no initials, just "Bowser" - 4/12/2002 6:38:53 PM
        
        Where's Frank when you need him? - RobVG - 4/13/2002 3:37:12 PM
        
        Wow! (without the "bow") - Bowser - 4/13/2002 4:54:39 PM
        
        ouch. - RobVG - 4/13/2002 5:26:10 PM
        
        Whoa!! - Bowser - 4/13/2002 5:45:29 PM
        
        Re: Whoa!! - RobVG - 4/13/2002 10:38:18 AM

Solution remains the same: UN Deployment - E.P. Grondine - 4/12/2002 2:28:46 PM
- Uncle Eddie Gets One Wish... - p - 4/12/2002 5:55:34 PM
  - Re: Had been waiting for... - Raoul - 4/13/2002 2:35:31 PM
    - Re: Had been waiting for... - Bowser - 4/13/2002 5:34:58 PM
    - All well and good in a perfect world - FrankC - 4/13/2002 3:04:08 PM
      - Re: All well and good in a perfect world - p - 4/13/2002 5:39:38 PM
- Unpleasant solution for the US. - Bowser - 4/12/2002 4:38:21 PM
- Give it up - Buck Galaxy - 4/12/2002 4:00:59 PM
  - ...and that's a bad thing? - p - 4/12/2002 4:08:40 PM
- Solution Remains The Same: Neutron Bomb Most Effective (n/t) (n/t) - p - 4/12/2002 3:03:45 PM
  - Along those lines... - RobVG - 4/12/2002 4:52:04 PM

Liberia Sends Message With Firestone Manuever . . . - D. Spires - 4/13/2002 5:20:47 PM

This just in: Israel withdraws from West Bank; Arafat condemns terror (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 4/13/2002 3:36:43 PM

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