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U.S.: ‘Solid basis’ for Iraq charges - Bowser - 12/5/2002 1:53:23 PM
- Re: Even as you whine, the pressure must remain -- regardless of the media . . . (n/t) (n/t) - D. Spires - 12/6/2002 9:06:02 AM
- So you wish. § (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/5/2002 4:23:31 PM
  - We all know, ed. - Bowser - 12/5/2002 6:48:52 PM
    - Are you stoned or drunk? Or just horny? - ebnelson - 12/6/2002 1:32:49 PM
- The Plan: - Tom Brosz - 12/5/2002 4:02:02 PM
  - Perhaps - gbaikie - 12/5/2002 6:52:11 PM
- Re: U.S.: ‘Solid basis’ for Iraq charges - gbaikie - 12/5/2002 2:07:29 PM
  - Please don't exect Bowser to actually read articles. - ebnelson - 12/5/2002 2:36:26 PM

I can't wait for Saturday. We'll all know then... - Scott - 12/6/2002 9:43:12 AM
- that is absolutely chilling n/t (n/t) - McFly - 12/6/2002 10:44:25 AM

"Germany presses ahead with cuts in arms spending" - Larry J - 12/5/2002 10:49:17 AM
- Re: Soon to become another dummy-pawn nation for the mighty EU . . . (n/t) (n/t) - D. Spires - 12/6/2002 9:10:27 AM
- A large military isn't that effective against terrorism. IS good for stealing oil, though. n/t (n/t) - Bowser - 12/5/2002 1:54:35 PM
  - Re: A large military is effective against a terrorist group organizing as a nation against the world . . . - D. Spires - 12/6/2002 9:16:43 AM
  - Stating the obvious to the oblivious - Larry J - 12/5/2002 2:32:34 PM
    - Well duh. Please don't present facts to Bowser. It is confusing to Bowser and wastes your time.§ (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/5/2002 2:37:48 PM
- tax song.... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/5/2002 12:07:50 PM
  - The Krauts are in thermal runaway - Gary - 12/5/2002 7:27:04 PM

Oh the poor UN... The US is set to brow beat the inspectors into accomplishing its disarmament objectives... - Scott - 12/5/2002 6:42:49 PM
- Weapons Inspector Clouseau - McFly - 12/5/2002 7:16:01 PM
  - Re: We ain't in Kansas no more . . . (n/t) (n/t) - D. Spires - 12/5/2002 8:58:03 PM

More on that man every liberal loves... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/5/2002 7:16:33 PM

Let me see if I have this straight... - Larry J - 12/4/2002 10:43:31 AM
- One little problem - Robert - 12/4/2002 1:33:02 PM
  - Actually, no - Larry J - 12/5/2002 2:12:59 PM
    - Actually, still yes (or is it logically 'no'?) - Robert - 12/5/2002 4:15:41 PM
      - Re: Threatening WMD retaliation is not a threat of WMD retaliation . . . ? - D. Spires - 12/5/2002 9:05:08 AM
        
        Not reading my post is reading my post? - Robert - 12/5/2002 9:37:19 AM
        
        Re: I go by what I see in the news, Robert . . . - D. Spires - 12/5/2002 11:31:06 AM
    - Actually yes - Tony - 12/5/2002 2:57:54 PM
      - Nope - Larry J - 12/5/2002 3:08:42 PM
        
        Re: Nope - gbaikie - 12/5/2002 6:47:36 PM
  - Re: context - Raoul - 12/4/2002 6:36:58 PM
- I love it. They don't really care. "We have no WMD's, and if you piss us off anymore, we will nuke ya." lol@them and their defenders.§ (n/t) - ebnelson` - 12/4/2002 10:52:02 AM
  - Time to break out the bunker busters. - Scott - 12/4/2002 11:24:18 AM
    - Blood thirsty bunker busters. - Lindy - 12/4/2002 3:10:11 PM
      - Relax! I'm going deer hunting in a few weeks. - Scott - 12/5/2002 3:37:03 PM
        
        Watch out for those d--n deer ticks! ;-) (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/5/2002 9:11:18 AM
      - A couple of points. - ebnelson - 12/5/2002 3:11:59 PM
      - Re: Oh, yes -- and about Usama bin Laden . . . - D. Spires - 12/5/2002 9:10:18 AM
      - Re: Rubber & Glue . . . - D. Spires - 12/4/2002 3:32:24 PM
        
        far too many bloody rebels -- far too few bloody causes left in the world (n/t) - Lindy--I agree n/t - 12/4/2002 5:05:08 PM
    - Bunker busters - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 1:44:53 PM

Lessons in Morality - The Test - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2002 3:30:41 PM
- Re: Lessons in Morality - The Test - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 5:36:46 PM
  - But your slight course change caused the Titanic to sink! Blame Brosz! N/T (n/t) - Scott - 12/5/2002 6:18:21 PM
- Re: A 2-page quiz . . . ? - D. Spires - 12/4/2002 5:17:39 PM
- Re: Lessons in Morality - The Answers (Don't peek!) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2002 4:56:22 PM
- I'll bite - RobVG - 12/4/2002 4:41:27 PM
  - Re: I'll bite - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2002 5:03:26 PM

Anti-Saddam Efforts Gain Momentum - McFly - 12/3/2002 2:36:09 PM
- Don't know that can be said accurately. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 6:01:28 PM
  - point taken - McFly - 12/3/2002 6:44:25 PM
  - War - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 6:36:27 PM
    - Slaughter. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 6:57:30 PM
      - Re: Sharon-Arafat - Raoul - 12/3/2002 7:13:56 PM
      - Wow. The war hasn't even started, and already "It's all lies!" (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 7:08:02 PM
        
        You miss another chance. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 8:58:59 PM
        
        Breaking and testing/interpreting - FrankC - 12/3/2002 4:28:17 PM
        
        In theory. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 6:18:34 PM
        
        Yes, FOI... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 11:16:35 AM
      - Don't worry Bowser we'll have enough Iraqi's on our side that they will be the ones going into the cities. - Scott - 12/3/2002 9:23:58 AM
    - Don't foget sudden Small Pox outbreaks in Isreal and select US cities... - Scott - 12/3/2002 9:20:10 AM
  - Buy Halliburton Now! - Scott - 12/3/2002 9:16:43 AM
- link - McFly - 12/3/2002 2:37:41 PM
- Easy there, Little Beaver. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 11:35:14 AM
  - Is the Beaver thing a Primus/Winona reference? n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 12/4/2002 11:20:43 AM
    - As in "big" and "brown"? - RobVG - 12/4/2002 3:09:51 PM
      - Not young enough, and not exactly a fan - alcaray - 12/5/2002 11:43:15 AM
        
        It was different. I guess that's why they use to call it "Alternative" rock (n/t) (n/t) - RobVG - 12/5/2002 2:51:13 PM
    - Nope. "Red Rider and Little Beaver" - Bowser - 12/4/2002 12:35:52 PM
      - Sidekick names - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 1:50:22 PM
  - Re: Easy there, Little Beaver. - McBeaver...er, McFly - 12/3/2002 4:45:24 PM
    - Manifest Destiny Redux - Splinx - 12/3/2002 5:20:33 PM
      - Re: Manifest Destiny Redux - McFly - 12/4/2002 3:02:29 PM
        
        Re: Manifest Destiny Redux - Splinx - 12/4/2002 4:51:10 PM
        
        Re: Manifest Destiny Redux - McFly - 12/4/2002 5:07:05 PM

Soul searching in Moscow - Raoul - 12/3/2002 10:13:18 AM
- Those were unconscionable losses. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 11:23:24 AM
  - slow down, aged penguin - McFly - 12/4/2002 5:31:22 PM
    - Penguin? Is that like "Little Beaver"? - Bowser - 12/4/2002 6:31:36 PM
      - Re: Penguin? Is that like - McFly - 12/4/2002 6:46:41 PM
        
        Maybe Bowser uses Linux. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:23:29 PM
  - Re: Those were unconscionable losses. - Scott - 12/4/2002 5:15:20 PM
    - Reading carefully, or even casually - Bowser - 12/4/2002 6:29:20 PM
      - Right on target. It was a botched rescue, that even momentary thoughtfulness could have fixed.§ (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/5/2002 2:42:35 PM
      - Re: Reading carefully - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:26:12 PM

If this holds true, gore is toast - ebnelson - 12/5/2002 9:58:48 AM
- Ah, Gore is toast anyway. - Tom Brosz - 12/5/2002 11:49:25 AM
  - Re: Didn't Gore invent toast . . . ? (n/t) (n/t) - D. Spires - 12/5/2002 1:35:02 PM
- Well maybe he was giving a speach on how to profit from selling soap made from Falun Gong members - Scott - 12/5/2002 10:36:56 AM

Antiwar Effort Gains Momentum - Splinx - 12/2/2002 1:48:11 PM
- Since when.... - FrankC - 12/2/2002 4:29:21 PM
  - Re: Since when.... - Bowser - 12/3/2002 5:35:06 PM
    - Re: Since when.... - McFly - 12/3/2002 7:52:30 PM
      - Since about 1950 - Splinx - 12/3/2002 3:40:34 PM
        
        Re: Since about 1950 - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 5:05:53 PM
        
        Re: Since about 1950 - Splinx - 12/3/2002 5:30:01 PM
        
        different situations = different tactics - SDG - 12/4/2002 6:30:48 PM
        
        Re: different situations = different tactics - Raoul - 12/4/2002 7:40:00 PM
        
        Re: different situations = different tactics - SDG - 12/4/2002 8:23:15 PM
        
        Not yet. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:55:48 PM
        
        "the USSR did not send suicide bombers to attack us" - alcaray - 12/4/2002 11:41:49 AM
        
        Re: (no subject) - SDG - 12/4/2002 1:07:58 PM
        
        If we have to invade every country that sends money to Palestinian terrorists - alcaray - 12/5/2002 11:45:41 AM
        
        ugh - McFly - 12/4/2002 3:51:03 PM
        
        Ugh is right - Splinx - 12/4/2002 4:54:31 PM
        
        Proof - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:54:35 PM
        
        Cool! The domino theory is back, but now it's Iraq that conquers the world! n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 12/4/2002 11:46:52 AM
        
        Can you actually refute anything I said? (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 1:51:47 PM
        
        poetry and cartoons constitute evidence? n/t (n/t) - McFly - 12/4/2002 5:04:44 PM
        
        Re: Poetry (sic) and Cartoons - Splinx - 12/4/2002 5:35:02 PM
        
        anymore round and round and I'm gonna keel over - McFly - 12/4/2002 5:55:56 PM
        
        Re: - Splinx - 12/4/2002 6:13:16 PM
        
        very kind :-) - McFly - 12/4/2002 6:22:57 PM
        
        It's the HZ effect. - alcaray - 12/4/2002 11:50:31 AM
    - Eye for an eye - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 6:45:49 PM
      - Too bad. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 7:00:01 PM
        
        Pay attention. - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 7:10:39 PM
        
        Nice try, and it was strictly "a. h." n/t (n/t) - Bowser - 12/3/2002 11:05:36 AM
- Re: Antiwar Effort Gains Momentum - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 3:37:42 PM

WOWEE Winona-babeee!! - Bowser - 12/3/2002 7:14:02 PM
- Not to defend Winona - alcaray - 12/4/2002 6:50:18 PM
  - Re: Not to defend Winona - Larry J - 12/4/2002 7:28:36 PM
  - Re: Not to defend Winona - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:22:26 PM
- Re: WOWEE - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 4:50:47 PM
  - I hadn't read that far. - Bowser - 12/4/2002 6:23:57 PM
    - Star guilt - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:20:54 PM
      - The Hollywood crowd uses more fuel in a single flight... - Larry J - 12/4/2002 8:02:05 PM
        
        Two million teachers - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 10:31:25 AM

Bush: Iraq Inspections 'Not Encouraging' - Bowser - 12/2/2002 8:50:56 PM
- The view from Planet Dubya - Robert - 12/2/2002 9:18:29 AM
  - Through the looking glass - Robert - 12/3/2002 4:42:30 PM
  - Re: The view from Planet Dubya - gbaikie - 12/2/2002 6:05:39 PM
    - Re: The view from Planet Dubya - Robert - 12/3/2002 4:25:00 PM
      - Re: The view from Planet Dubya - gbaikie - 12/3/2002 1:52:11 PM
  - Re: The view - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 10:45:36 AM
    - Re: The view - Robert - 12/2/2002 11:48:42 AM
      - Clap, clap, clap, clap..... - Hearty Applause from the Audience - 12/2/2002 2:57:22 PM
        
        "mean, liberal eating conservatives." - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 12:36:34 PM
        
        *Burp* (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 1:12:04 PM
      - Re: The view - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 1:37:22 PM
        
        Flawed premise - Robert - 12/3/2002 3:57:45 PM
        
        Clarification - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 5:29:31 PM
        
        Re: Clarification - gbaikie - 12/4/2002 11:20:50 AM
        
        Inspection - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 7:58:17 PM
        
        Re: The view - RobVG - 12/2/2002 7:18:30 PM
        
        With apologies to Aesop - Splinx - 12/2/2002 2:22:25 PM
        
        Options - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 3:41:06 PM
        
        A profound truth - Splinx - 12/3/2002 6:42:28 PM
        
        "truth" may be the only thing more nebulous than international law n/t (n/t) - McFly - 12/3/2002 8:01:35 PM
        
        Re: A profound truth - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 7:06:42 PM
        
        Re: demonstrating - Raoul - 12/3/2002 10:38:36 AM
        
        This is silly, Tom - alcaray - 12/3/2002 9:46:48 AM
        
        Not really. - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 11:37:32 AM
        
        No really - alcaray - 12/4/2002 6:43:43 PM
        
        Thank You Splinx - Lindy - 12/3/2002 5:00:09 PM
        
        Well thats your opinion - Scott - 12/3/2002 9:29:22 AM
        
        Saddam has shown himself to be carniverous - r.l. - 12/2/2002 2:36:15 PM
        
        Aesop wrote fables, not analogies - Splinx - 12/3/2002 7:00:22 PM
        
        Saddam, like the Bear, is omniverous. Good analogy! n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 12/3/2002 5:28:55 PM
      - Did you happen to catch the last election results? (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/2/2002 11:59:41 AM
        
        Yep. The question is, did you? - Robert - 12/3/2002 4:03:24 PM
        
        My bad - Robert - 12/3/2002 4:08:57 PM
        
        Mandates - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 6:27:31 PM
        
        Re: Mandates - Robert - 12/3/2002 8:50:56 PM
        
        Good question - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 11:57:44 AM
        
        My view on this - alcaray - 12/3/2002 6:59:00 PM
        
        Self-flagellation Mindset and old Surveys - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 10:31:16 AM
        
        Great info! - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2002 11:41:27 AM
  - Dating Saddam. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/2/2002 9:49:11 AM
    - Re: Dating dictators - Raoul - 12/2/2002 10:25:06 AM
      - Agreed, accept those dictators didn't threaten the world with Smallpox. - Scott - 12/3/2002 4:23:03 PM
      - Re: Dating dictators - Lindy - 12/2/2002 3:04:21 PM
        
        Re: Dating dictators - McFly - 12/3/2002 6:27:18 PM
        
        Re: Dating dictators - Lindy - 12/3/2002 5:18:23 PM
      - Strange bedfellows - FrankC - 12/2/2002 11:23:57 AM

Iraq's new strategy? Press for war. - Scott - 12/4/2002 10:09:18 AM
- Palace inspection...yeah, right. - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 6:00:22 PM
- Re: In Plainsman's Poker . . . - D. Spires - 12/4/2002 12:44:38 PM
- "said at a meeting with an Egyptian delegation in a Baghdad hotel" - alcaray - 12/4/2002 11:15:27 AM
  - Public or Private. Some things are best not said...Diplomatically speaking. - Scott - 12/4/2002 11:19:39 AM
    - Well, last time they hit this theme... - alcaray - 12/4/2002 12:08:11 PM
- It is not a policy shift. It is theatre, nothing more. - ebnelson - 12/4/2002 10:41:20 AM
- Spies - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 10:28:19 AM
  - Agreed, Except this time he is finished. - Scott - 12/4/2002 11:17:22 AM

Back From London - ebnelson - 12/3/2002 2:28:38 PM
- Welcome back Ed - not much has changed! (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 3:16:33 PM
  - After reading some of the recent stuff, that is clearly true. - ebnelson - 12/4/2002 5:15:48 PM

Leilah Shahid - Raoul - 12/3/2002 7:26:03 PM
- The US doesn't see those debates. - Bowser - 12/3/2002 11:18:49 AM
  - Re: The US doesn't see those debates. - Scott - 12/4/2002 4:38:47 PM

For those who worry about Padilla and the 'threat' on our constitution. - ebnelson - 12/4/2002 3:24:56 PM

Kerry also pipes up with the Great Working Man Tax Cut - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2002 2:25:56 PM

More conscientious reporting, ideas, etc. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 3:09:26 PM

Circular Arguments - Splinx - 12/3/2002 2:52:55 PM

Hee Haw! Turkey ain't just for Thanksgiving! - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 11:56:33 AM

Saddam's Wonderful Kids - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/2/2002 2:19:12 PM
- Re: Saddam's Wonderful Kids - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 3:21:57 PM
- Re: Another good piece - Splinx - 12/2/2002 2:40:35 PM
  - "...he needs a better proofreader" - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/3/2002 9:42:46 AM

Israel takes off the gloves? - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 6:34:43 PM
- Israel's secret service has had some amazing successes, but... - R.L. - 12/2/2002 12:08:05 PM
  - Better them than us. - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 1:41:05 PM

Bush's fatal flaw - the Saudi relationship - p - 12/2/2002 1:35:28 PM
- All the more reason to take down Iraq. - Scott - 12/2/2002 4:05:04 PM
  - I'll bite - RobVG - 12/2/2002 5:45:20 PM
    - Well it only has to be pro western in the sense that germany is pro-western... - Scott - 12/2/2002 12:34:54 PM
      - I suppose your right. - RobVG - 12/2/2002 6:15:14 PM

British report on Iraqi atrocities - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 5:17:12 PM
- Re: British report on Iraqi atrocities - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2002 5:41:14 PM

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