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A collective cheer rings out around the world - Eric - 12/4/2006 3:34:27 PM
- Not me. - TB - 12/4/2006 3:40:11 PM
  - C'mon Tom...lighten up... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2006 6:11:37 PM
  - Pickett's Charge - azstrummer - 12/4/2006 4:22:36 PM
    - the Democrats can be hard nosed too! - Scott Evil - 12/5/2006 2:35:43 PM
      - Bullying is wrong no matter who does it. - azstrummer - 12/5/2006 4:45:56 PM
        
        re: Bullying is wrong no matter who does it. - Scott Evil - 12/5/2006 6:46:22 PM
        
        It's an ineffective method - azstrummer - 12/5/2006 10:21:01 PM
    - Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. - TB - 12/4/2006 5:12:47 PM
      - And a bit more - TB - 12/4/2006 5:19:01 PM
        
        yeah, but did he shoot the looters? and if not, why not? - Daniel - 12/4/2006 5:45:16 PM
        
        More recent stuff - TB - 12/4/2006 5:25:10 PM

Mildest autumn in Europe - Raoul - 12/5/2006 9:11:23 PM

The US troops should leave Iraq now...why? - Raoul - 11/30/2006 10:02:35 PM
- re: The US troops should leave Iraq now...why? - gbaikie - 12/1/2006 9:17:49 PM
  - Europe - REB - 12/1/2006 9:35:05 PM
    - re: LOL LOL LOL ahh conspiracy theories abound! (n/t) - Raoul - 12/1/2006 10:22:08 PM
      - Al-Andalus - REB - 12/1/2006 10:50:14 PM
        
        Good map of Al-Andalus - REB - 12/5/2006 7:12:04 PM
        
        I think the USA should encourage Islamic take-over of Europe. - Scott Evil - 12/1/2006 11:53:50 PM
      - Do I smell burning cars in France? (n/t) - REB - 12/1/2006 10:45:34 PM
        
        re: Not so far...not like last year... (n/t) - Raoul - 12/1/2006 11:24:14 PM
- re: By the way, if what you say is true...That there won't be a civil war... - Scott Evil - 12/1/2006 2:47:53 PM
- I have an 8th and better reason. - Scott Evil - 12/1/2006 2:33:20 PM
  - And so we will have traded one set of brutes for another. - Mary Anne - 12/1/2006 3:42:11 PM
    - Have you noticed... - TB - 12/1/2006 5:15:17 PM
      - You think so? - Mary Anne - 12/2/2006 12:43:17 AM
      - I think tht was the entire point - Yeti - 12/1/2006 6:00:33 PM
        
        The point I've been trying to make for weeks... - TB - 12/1/2006 9:22:33 PM
      - re: Have you noticed... - REB - 12/1/2006 5:56:26 PM
        
        And Afghanistan is a far tougher arena to fight in. - Lee - 12/2/2006 5:44:53 AM
        
        re: And Afghanistan is a far tougher arena to fight in. - REB - 12/5/2006 7:25:03 PM
    - Don't worry, the oil will run out soon. The Middle East will sink into oblivion. - Scott Evil - 12/1/2006 5:10:13 PM
      - Water is the next war. - Mary Anne - 12/2/2006 12:11:56 AM
        
        So the Arabs really are screwed. - Lee - 12/2/2006 5:40:24 AM
        
        And who will care? - Scott Evil - 12/5/2006 6:54:07 PM
    - Nice Justification For Staying - ID - 12/1/2006 4:22:28 PM
      - I believe Thomas Friedman is correct. - Mary Anne - 12/2/2006 12:10:31 AM
        
        It took seven years before we gave Japan back to its people. - TB - 12/2/2006 7:06:38 AM
        
        And the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, didn't they? - Mary Anne - 12/2/2006 7:44:30 PM
        
        What's that got to do with it? - TB - 12/3/2006 1:39:07 AM
        
        Hearts and minds, remember? - Mary Anne - 12/3/2006 2:04:15 AM
        
        re: Hearts and minds, remember? - gbaikie - 12/3/2006 5:19:08 AM
- So France Can Renew It's Oil Contracts? - ID - 12/1/2006 3:50:39 AM
  - re: Civil war - Raoul - 12/1/2006 6:53:49 AM
    - Talk About Absurd - ID - 12/1/2006 2:10:20 PM
      - re: Talk About really Absurd - Raoul - 12/1/2006 6:52:40 PM
        
        Yes, Absurd - REB - 12/1/2006 10:00:00 PM
        
        re: Not related - Raoul - 12/1/2006 10:25:55 PM
        
        Not related? LOL - REB - 12/1/2006 10:44:46 PM
        
        re: LOL LOL - Raoul - 12/2/2006 12:25:18 AM
        
        Do You Win Court Cases With Arguements Like That? - ID - 12/2/2006 2:32:00 AM

NATO prepares for energy wars - SDF - 12/5/2006 6:35:53 PM
- Energy is not worth going to war over. - Scott Evil - 12/5/2006 7:00:21 PM

US Should Buy More Mideast Oil: Mulva - SDF - 12/5/2006 6:47:48 PM
- YES - Scott Evil - 12/5/2006 6:57:27 PM

USS INTREPID underway AGAIN!!!! - carl - 12/5/2006 5:27:22 PM

Disaster in the Desert - E.P. - 12/5/2006 4:15:09 PM
- Sorry, nothing beats Mess O'Potamia (n/t) - tony - 12/5/2006 5:02:34 PM

Hey, whatever happened to all those 'good news from Iraq' posts? - R.L. - 11/27/2006 2:35:47 AM
- Don't look at me - FrankC - 11/28/2006 8:02:27 PM
  - re: The dems are in control now - Yeti - 11/28/2006 8:05:10 PM
    - Oh bother that, perception is what counts - FrankC - 11/28/2006 11:33:44 PM
      - Knd of like the perception that Iraq had somehting to do with 911? (n/t) - Yeti - 11/29/2006 6:40:24 PM
        
        pretty much (n/t) - FrankC - 12/1/2006 4:45:39 AM
- re: The situation has degenerated. The Democrats called it. They were brilliant prognosticators. - Scott Evil - 11/27/2006 2:44:30 PM
- re: 'good news from Iraq' posts - TB - 11/27/2006 4:35:07 AM
  - Your good news was welcome but you never acknowledged the bad. - azstrummer - 11/27/2006 11:05:07 PM
  - Is it your contention that the good news is more newsworthy than the obvious carnage? - R.L. - 11/27/2006 4:42:28 AM
    - I would have settled for "as newsworthy." - TB - 11/27/2006 5:07:50 AM
      - Only hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest, hmm-hmm-mmmm - Tony - 11/27/2006 4:49:41 PM
        
        Wearing your boxers again? (n/t) - Fox - 11/30/2006 7:34:25 PM
        
        Nah. Lost them in a clearing somewhere. (n/t) - Tony - 11/30/2006 9:19:38 PM
        
        And Average Google Time Is? - ID - 11/29/2006 11:37:41 PM
        
        Waht part of "good news is spiked" didn't you get? (n/t) - PPD - 11/30/2006 5:49:20 PM
        
        Are You Really That Simple Minded? - ID - 12/1/2006 4:31:49 AM
        
        Good grief - PPD - 12/1/2006 3:25:13 PM
        
        False Pretext Strawman Uncovered Again - ID - 12/1/2006 5:11:55 PM
        
        Actually It Was A Split Hair - ID - 12/1/2006 5:14:10 PM
        
        Here ya go - Tony - 12/1/2006 6:56:43 PM
        
        OK Tom is guilty of exageration from time to time. - ID - 12/1/2006 8:59:59 PM
        
        Hehehehe. (n/t) - Yeti - 11/29/2006 6:18:17 PM
      - re:"I picked a side I really wanted to win. Others did too, from the very start." - Yeti - 11/27/2006 6:01:40 AM
        
        "Ohhh.... Puuuuhhhhleaase!" "Yeah, Right!" "What BS" - TB - 11/27/2006 6:09:35 AM
        
        Why should I grace that crud with an 'eloquent counterargument'? - Yeti - 11/27/2006 6:32:23 AM
        
        "Left-leaning Americans" - TB - 11/27/2006 6:41:46 AM
        
        re: "Left-leaning Americans" - Un-Cute Yeti - 11/28/2006 7:18:14 PM
        
        re: "Left-leaning Americans" - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/29/2006 3:19:47 AM
        
        re: "same leftist PR rhetoric we keep hearing from the MSM" - Bored Yeti - 11/29/2006 3:35:48 AM
        
        And ... - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/29/2006 4:36:44 AM
        
        Wow. So that's tryptophan withdrawal. - TB - 11/29/2006 12:16:56 AM
        
        tryptophan withdrawal? Now who is indulging in 'cuteness'? - Yeti - 11/29/2006 5:42:46 PM
        
        Wow, someone woke up - azstrummer - 11/28/2006 10:55:47 PM
        
        re: Wow, someone woke up - Yetster - 11/29/2006 5:54:07 PM
        
        Sparring - azstrummer - 11/29/2006 6:25:21 PM
        
        Your Fixation on Tom Is Ridiculous - ID - 12/1/2006 4:08:43 AM
        
        "protected status" - TB - 11/29/2006 7:41:28 PM
        
        I disagree, that wasn't a flame, and Brosz did demand I 'stop acting cute' - Yeti - 11/29/2006 3:31:25 AM
        
        I'm okay with it staying here. - TB - 11/29/2006 6:57:09 AM
        
        re: Wow, someone woke up - Robert - 11/29/2006 12:28:16 AM
        
        re: "Left-leaning Americans" - Larry Summers - 11/28/2006 9:30:58 PM
        
        So Rush is looking for new work? - azstrummer - 11/28/2006 10:57:26 PM
        
        Tom is right about one thing - Tony - 11/28/2006 8:45:28 PM
        
        Good points, BTW, and well put - Yeti Wielding Yeti Stick of Unreason - 11/29/2006 6:17:32 PM
        
        Well Thank Gr#@$%$k for that!. ;-) thanks. Nice Howitzer you placed up there... (n/t) - Tony - 11/29/2006 7:25:29 PM
        
        I am gonna find a bomb shelter- - R.L. - 11/28/2006 7:45:56 PM
        
        What can I say: I woke up on the wrong side of my Ice Cave this morning - Yeti - 11/28/2006 8:10:53 PM
        
        Yowzah! (n/t) - Robert - 11/28/2006 8:07:10 PM
        
        Ummm so....Republican Hagel is one of 'those people'? - R.L. - 11/27/2006 8:09:39 AM
      - Yeah right - R.L. - 11/27/2006 5:33:43 AM
        
        re: Yeah right - TB - 11/27/2006 6:06:05 AM
        
        re: Yeah right - TB - 11/28/2006 4:17:11 AM
        
        Here it is, distilled down: - TB - 11/28/2006 4:44:12 AM
        
        so hundreds havent been found tortured and killed? (n/t) - R.L. - 11/28/2006 4:48:59 AM
        
        That's an excellent question. - TB - 11/28/2006 5:11:29 AM
        
        Hariyau contraire - Tony - 11/27/2006 5:11:28 PM
- Anyone want to bet that within 2 months the right will be blaming our failure in Iraq on the liberals? - R.L. - 11/27/2006 4:09:34 AM
  - Watch TV - Yeti - 11/28/2006 7:21:37 PM
  - Really its not a failure... - Scott Evil - 11/27/2006 2:49:03 PM
  - They started blaming the left way before the election. - ER - 11/27/2006 12:13:51 PM
  - A lot of that blame will have been honestly earned. - TB - 11/27/2006 4:41:37 AM
    - Superstition I - Robert - 11/29/2006 5:54:36 PM
      - Hey- you have to pay a licensing fee if you want to bang on tom with the superstition Bat - Yeti - 11/29/2006 6:06:38 PM
        
        But then, we'd owe TB royalties for the technique of constant repetition (n/t) - Robert - 11/29/2006 8:23:48 PM
        
        No, no, no... You have it all wrong - IP YetiLawyer - 11/29/2006 8:46:20 PM
        
        re: prior 'art' - Yeti wielding the Yeti Stick of Unreason - 11/29/2006 6:15:39 PM
        
        I feel rather current actually - azstrummer - 11/29/2006 8:29:24 PM
    - Okay, lets assume your bullshit here smells like a rose - Bluff-Calling Yeti - 11/28/2006 7:27:49 PM
      - Effect on the war - TB - 11/29/2006 12:24:29 AM
        
        Hold on a second - Yeti - 11/29/2006 3:41:17 AM
        
        re: Hold on a second - TB - 11/29/2006 7:15:21 AM
        
        Don't Ask A Yeti To Follow Simple Reason - ID - 11/29/2006 11:45:06 PM
        
        Superstition II - Robert - 11/29/2006 5:54:51 PM
        
        Holy Straw Cow - ID - 11/30/2006 12:48:19 AM
        
        Superstition III - Robert - 11/29/2006 8:33:11 PM
        
        Are You Serious? - ID - 11/30/2006 1:06:18 AM
        
        You're not - Robert - 11/30/2006 5:45:05 PM
        
        Oh Yes I Am, You're Just Not Being Honest - ID - 12/1/2006 3:28:43 AM
        
        "cut-and-run" is nothing BUT jingoism - Robert - 12/1/2006 6:45:51 PM
        
        You're Going Off The Deep End Robert (Lord Of The Flies) - ID - 12/1/2006 10:46:55 PM
        
        You know you're a Winger when... - Robert - 12/2/2006 5:17:07 PM
        
        You Just Can't Face Your Own Faults Can You? - Mark Eby - 12/4/2006 4:13:56 AM
        
        As You said: Yowzah! - Yeti - 11/30/2006 7:01:21 PM
        
        frustration - Robert - 11/30/2006 9:18:49 PM
        
        I think you are wrong on one count, unfortunately - Yetster. - 12/1/2006 11:21:23 PM
        
        You may be right - Robert - 12/2/2006 5:34:06 PM
        
        Circle Jerk Indeed - ID - 12/4/2006 3:02:06 PM
        
        So Now You Want To Think? - ID - 12/1/2006 3:36:47 AM
        
        You might want to substitute reasoning for thinking. My dog thinks. - azstrummer - 12/1/2006 3:45:41 AM
        
        Read His Post Dittohead - ID - 12/1/2006 3:59:04 AM
        
        "Party of cut and run?" Maybe not. - TB - 11/30/2006 1:58:00 AM
        
        Tried To Be Careful - ID - 11/30/2006 2:31:28 AM
        
        So Mr. Armchair Warrior..... - azstrummer - 12/1/2006 3:39:29 AM
        
        Try Paying Attention Some Time - ID - 12/1/2006 4:22:16 AM
        
        re: Try Paying Attention Some Time - azstrummer - 12/1/2006 1:52:39 PM
        
        re: Try Paying Attention Some Time - ID - 12/1/2006 2:29:39 PM
        
        Ok, I'm willing to regroup here - azstrummer - 12/1/2006 9:52:34 PM
        
        On Tom - ID - 12/1/2006 11:18:15 PM
        
        Reasonable But I Disagree - ID - 12/1/2006 11:00:37 PM
        
        That puts you a lot closer to most Dems than it does to the admin - PPD - 11/30/2006 9:13:15 PM
        
        Uh Duh - ID - 12/1/2006 3:15:33 AM
        
        Glad to see that the bleeding obvious is finally getting through. - PPD - 12/1/2006 3:16:08 PM
        
        Neither - ID - 12/1/2006 4:42:27 PM
        
        I agree with just about everything you wrote - PPD - 12/1/2006 6:17:15 PM
        
        Perhaps You Can Explain To Robert Then - ID - 12/4/2006 3:03:50 PM
        
        Touche - ID - 12/1/2006 10:53:49 PM
        
        What planet do you live on? - Yeti - 11/29/2006 5:31:48 PM
        
        Outcomes - TB - 11/29/2006 7:03:47 PM
        
        specifics schmecifics - Tony - 11/29/2006 7:34:57 PM
        
        re: specifics - TB - 11/29/2006 7:59:14 PM
        
        Still didnt register huh? - Tony - 11/29/2006 10:17:02 PM
        
        How MANY times must I explain it? - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/30/2006 12:28:58 AM
        
        As many times as we roll our eyes and ignore you. - Yeti - 11/30/2006 1:06:06 AM
        
        Let me guess you smoke heavily, drink heavily, use pharmeceuticals and want the US out of Iraq? - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/30/2006 1:21:13 AM
        
        Batting 500 if it was for me :-D (n/t) - Tony - 12/1/2006 3:26:40 PM
        
        Wrong on every count! - Yeti - 11/30/2006 1:38:13 AM
        
        I apologize. - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/30/2006 1:52:34 AM
        
        re: I apologize. - Yeti - 11/30/2006 3:36:27 AM
        
        I thought the topic was Iraq. - Mary Anne - 11/29/2006 1:18:25 PM
    - What BS - R.L. - 11/27/2006 4:43:52 AM
      - re: What BS - gbaikie - 11/28/2006 5:00:18 AM

Psychotic? - et - 12/2/2006 5:46:15 AM
- authoritarian conservatism - Robert - 12/2/2006 5:44:36 PM
  - droit du seigneur - ER - 12/2/2006 7:03:52 PM
    - but only as long as they have universal healthcare. - Lee - 12/2/2006 7:38:13 PM
- I hate to keep raking the coals, but - Lee - 12/2/2006 9:40:59 AM
  - At the end of the day... - R.L. - 12/2/2006 11:48:38 AM
    - As I recall... - Lee - 12/2/2006 6:29:35 PM
      - Do you feel shame? - R.L. - 12/2/2006 9:13:58 PM
        
        Only if I do something to be ashamed of. - Lee - 12/2/2006 10:31:21 PM
- Interesting. - TB - 12/2/2006 6:44:31 AM
  - Heh - Fox - 12/4/2006 1:20:09 AM
    - So far nobody has actually found leprechauns. - TB - 12/4/2006 6:30:01 AM
  - Skipped the Dawkins essay, eh? - Mary Anne - 12/2/2006 8:33:06 PM

Olbermann slams Gingrich -- subject: free speech - Fox - 12/4/2006 1:17:11 AM

Let's slap a special surtax on the top 1% to pay for the "mideast" mess - E.P. - 12/3/2006 8:21:36 PM

Castro Fails to attend his birthday party???????? - Carl - 12/2/2006 5:19:13 PM
- He should make it a point to attend. It may be his last. (n/t) - ER - 12/3/2006 5:56:05 PM

Rumsfeld to Bush: "Go Minimalist" - Donald - 12/3/2006 2:29:32 PM
- Meanwhile: 2,893 - Donald - 12/3/2006 2:31:23 PM

Air power v. reality, or resolution of THE real problem. - CinC "Top Gun" Bush - 12/3/2006 4:51:35 AM

Bipartisanship - Bush style. Not even pretending to try. - Bowser - 11/17/2006 7:13:03 PM
- Time to filabuster then - azstrummer - 11/17/2006 9:57:36 PM
  - re: Time to filabuster then - Larry Summers - 11/28/2006 8:44:46 PM
    - Refresh my memory - azstrummer - 11/28/2006 11:10:53 PM
      - re: Refresh my memory - Larry Summers - 12/1/2006 5:59:04 PM
  - Fearless prediction - Tony - 11/18/2006 2:36:56 AM
- Link - Bowser - 11/17/2006 7:14:14 PM

Frist not running, Biden is. - Tony - 11/29/2006 7:53:56 PM
- I hate it too. - Lee - 11/30/2006 6:57:05 AM
- Don't leave us hanging without a link! And a BONUS! Set of Predictions for 2008! - Scott Evil - 11/29/2006 8:09:29 PM
  - Here is the Evil oddsmaker line - Scott Evil - 11/29/2006 10:24:10 PM
    - re: Here is the Evil oddsmaker line - azstrummer - 12/1/2006 3:18:19 AM
      - Hillary is a California Man - Scott Evil - 12/1/2006 5:16:49 PM
  - Great googaly moogaly! You might be right. (n/t) - Tony - 11/29/2006 10:15:25 PM

Weapons from Iran - TB - 11/30/2006 6:33:10 PM
- re: The issue is not democracy, but stability - Raoul - 11/30/2006 8:01:20 PM
  - If Iran doesn't want chaos, why is it shipping weapons into Iraq? - TB - 11/30/2006 9:45:53 PM
    - re: Because it's not the same Iran (n/t) - Raoul - 11/30/2006 10:06:05 PM
    - Iran gets a free pass because the tend to be anti-USA (n/t) - Scott Evil - 11/30/2006 9:50:29 PM
      - Got to give one thing to Iran. - Lee - 12/1/2006 5:25:56 AM
        
        Cut the Europeans some slack. - Scott Evil - 12/1/2006 2:41:38 PM
        
        Iranian Diplomacy 101 (Plus a great Marxist expose!) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/1/2006 9:09:19 AM

Fake News From Iraq update - TB - 11/30/2006 6:19:36 PM
- Tom, the first time you.... - azstrummer - 12/1/2006 12:41:37 AM
- Orwell would be proud - Robert - 11/30/2006 9:12:41 PM
  - re: Orwell knew where - TB - 11/30/2006 10:08:02 PM
    - re: Orwell knew where - Robert - 12/1/2006 1:02:15 AM
      - re: Orwell - TB - 12/1/2006 4:38:58 AM

NSA update - TB - 11/30/2006 2:50:42 AM
- the foxes guarding the henhouse - Robert - 11/30/2006 6:02:46 PM
  - But... we're so *good* at it! - Fox - 11/30/2006 7:31:24 PM
    - Heard on Fox News? (n/t) - ER - 11/30/2006 7:58:43 PM

Looks like Sader wins the battle, if not the war. - Yeti - 11/30/2006 12:05:05 AM
- Spy vs Spy - ER - 11/30/2006 2:33:45 AM
  - Be careful. Someday the State Department leaks will reflect negatively on a Democrat administration. - Scott Evil - 11/30/2006 4:29:36 PM
    - I'm sure they will. - ER - 11/30/2006 5:31:32 PM
- So, along the lines of some previous posts... - TB - 11/30/2006 2:05:58 AM

Global warming will kill 5 billion people! - A. Leftleaner - 11/28/2006 11:22:43 PM
- Having fun? (n/t) - et - 11/29/2006 7:45:17 PM
  - for those of us left after the death and destruction... - A. Leftleaner - 11/30/2006 4:11:53 PM
- That would certainly ease the problem of human contributions to climate change ........... (n/t) - RNE - 11/29/2006 5:13:44 AM

Pelosi's 100 hours - TB - 11/30/2006 2:46:45 PM

Report: Iraq panel will urge gradual pullback - Donald - 11/30/2006 5:21:22 AM

America's message to Iraq - Stephen Hadley, per George W. - 11/29/2006 4:37:57 PM

Since I haven't seen this brought up...The Po-210 asassination - R.L. - 11/25/2006 6:37:42 PM
- Black market radioactive toxins? - Andrew - 11/29/2006 4:27:18 AM
- if this was a Putin Set-up... - Scott Evil - 11/27/2006 9:47:06 PM
  - original link to bloomberg died... - Scott Evil - 11/29/2006 3:50:51 PM
  - Well look at this... Putin and the KGB must read the posts here at the HZ! - Scott Evil - 11/29/2006 3:03:02 PM
- More about Po - R.L. - 11/25/2006 8:40:46 PM
  - Ah! Obviously its an international gay conspiracy... masterminded by TinkyWinky (n/t) - TeleYetiTubby - 11/25/2006 8:52:23 PM
- "seems like a setup" - TB - 11/25/2006 7:27:35 PM
  - Sorry Tom. - et - 11/26/2006 2:16:27 AM
    - i'd have to agree that Russia's KGB (or what ever they call it now) has its fingers all over this. - Scott Evil - 11/27/2006 2:38:44 PM
- well, there is this option - Yeti - 11/25/2006 6:51:05 PM
  - The Russians did it. - ER - 11/25/2006 7:44:40 PM
    - I agree - esYETIanage - 11/25/2006 8:35:07 PM
      - Wet work - ER - 11/25/2006 9:26:57 PM
        
        re: Wet work - Alan G. Archer - 11/27/2006 5:26:07 AM
        
        I misspoke - ER - 11/27/2006 2:14:31 PM
        
        The foreign capitol fact IS relevant. - et - 11/26/2006 2:20:00 AM
        
        Well... - R.L. - 11/26/2006 2:40:50 AM

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