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Words of "impeachment" surface - Donald - 6/17/2005 5:20:46 AM
- More sillyness. The votes are simply NOT there. - David F Mayer - 6/19/2005 1:49:34 PM
- re: Words of "impeachment" surface by anti-semites - p - 6/17/2005 9:55:29 PM
  - Howard Dean, stealing my posts? - p - 6/19/2005 3:59:42 PM
    - Howard Dean, responding to spin. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 5:25:50 PM
      - re: Howard Dean, responding to the folks at the Democratic hearings - p - 6/20/2005 11:08:52 PM
        
        What's wrong? Don't you have a typewriter? - Mary Anne - 6/21/2005 12:01:13 PM
        
        re: What's wrong? Don't you have a typewriter? - p - 6/21/2005 6:55:01 PM
        
        Sorry, Phil. - Tom Brosz - 6/21/2005 11:20:41 PM
        
        See also Republican aide Schiavo talking points memo (n/t) - Sam F. - 6/22/2005 7:30:20 AM
  - Officials vs interlopers - dtb - 6/18/2005 5:11:09 PM
    - re: Officials vs interlopers - p - 6/19/2005 12:36:04 AM
      - re: Officials vs interlopers - dtb - 6/19/2005 4:01:13 AM
        
        re: Officials vs interlopers - p - 6/19/2005 3:21:13 PM
        
        Not pedantic, but precise - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 3:47:18 PM
        
        re: Not pedantic, but precise - p - 6/19/2005 3:54:32 PM
        
        You still have not said who the author was. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 5:16:26 PM
        
        re: You still have not said who the author was. - p - 6/20/2005 11:03:01 PM
    - Thank you (n/t) - Fox - 6/18/2005 8:52:11 PM
  - Where is this from? - Mary Anne - 6/18/2005 12:50:30 PM
    - Sources - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 9:36:41 PM
      - Thanks. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 9:56:39 PM
  - Is that neo-con prejudice or just yours? - Bowser - 6/18/2005 1:17:56 AM
    - Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 6/18/2005 6:20:47 PM
      - re: Nice try, redux. - Mary Anne - 6/18/2005 6:57:47 PM
    - re: Is that neo-con prejudice or just yours? - p - 6/18/2005 1:29:02 AM
      - Please answer the question. - Bowser - 6/18/2005 4:51:15 AM
        
        re: Please answer the (strawman) question. - p - 6/18/2005 12:08:50 PM
        
        re: Throwing that word around - Fox - 6/18/2005 4:49:29 PM
        
        strawperson explicit example - p - 6/19/2005 12:40:54 AM
        
        [repaired link to Snopes.com] - Fox - 6/18/2005 4:55:30 PM
- Drivel. There are absolutely NO GROUNDS for impeachment. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 6/17/2005 11:57:23 AM
  - An impeachable offense - Donald - 6/17/2005 1:43:28 PM
    - "Lying to Congress is an impeachable offense." Since when? - David F Mayer - 6/17/2005 6:40:35 PM
      - He's right, Donald. - Mary Anne - 6/18/2005 10:57:03 PM
- Geez, where have you been? - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 5:27:06 AM
  - re: Geez, where have you been? - Donald - 6/17/2005 1:06:50 PM
    - WMDs - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 6:58:21 PM
      - This story is almost funny - Gary - 6/18/2005 3:44:47 AM
        
        Stupid Is As Stupid Does - Mark Eby - 6/19/2005 7:08:56 PM
        
        Beating dead horses - Gary - 6/19/2005 8:27:20 PM

And more hypocrisy. No end to it. - Bowser - 6/20/2005 5:26:59 AM
- FrankC is a CE moderator - FrankC - 6/20/2005 7:22:45 PM
- Almost speechless @ such ignorance. (graphic content warning) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2005 8:43:12 AM
  - Speaking of ignorance. ( verbal content warning) - Lindy - 6/20/2005 3:32:38 PM
    - If you can't tell the difference... - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/22/2005 12:48:56 AM
    - re: Speaking of ignorance. ( verbal content warning) - gbaikie - 6/21/2005 3:59:08 AM
- re: And more hypocrisy. No end to it. - gbaikie - 6/20/2005 5:50:48 AM
  - How come Mexicans are economic refugees, and Cubans are political? - Bowser - 6/20/2005 6:06:59 AM
    - Mexicans are encouraged to flee and Cubans are shot when they flee. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/22/2005 12:41:29 AM
    - Yeah, it's political - Lindy - 6/20/2005 3:36:53 PM
    - re: How come Mexicans are economic refugees, and Cubans are political? - gbaikie - 6/20/2005 8:42:11 AM
      - Yo gbaikie - Lindy - 6/20/2005 3:38:19 PM
      - I have to point out that you avoided the question asked.... (n/t) - R.L. - 6/20/2005 10:28:03 AM
        
        re: I have to point out that you avoided the question asked.... - gbaikie - 6/20/2005 6:48:59 PM

Republican senators challenge Bush's Iraq optimism - Donald - 6/20/2005 1:50:22 PM
- Tell me, Donald. What would a "competent" administration do? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/20/2005 5:05:27 PM
  - A competent administration... - Donald - 6/21/2005 2:00:11 AM
    - re: A competent administration... - Tom Brosz - 6/21/2005 8:13:28 AM
      - This is why... - Donald - 6/21/2005 1:58:44 PM
        
        re: This is why... - Tom Brosz - 6/21/2005 11:08:43 PM
    - re: A competent administration... - gbaikie - 6/21/2005 3:49:26 AM
      - Afghanistan - Donald - 6/21/2005 4:40:52 AM
        
        re: Afghanistan - gbaikie - 6/21/2005 10:05:27 AM
        
        re: Afghanistan - Donald - 6/21/2005 1:56:35 PM
        
        re: Afghanistan - gbaikie - 6/22/2005 12:00:44 AM
  - Stop promoting whacky memes like: Invading Iraq is a rational response to 9/11. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/20/2005 9:24:35 PM
  - That's easy enough - E.P. Grondine - 6/20/2005 5:54:29 PM
- The White House is "disconnected' from reality"?? (n/t) - Say it isn't so! - 6/20/2005 3:39:28 PM
- Meanwhile: 1,723 - Donald - 6/20/2005 1:55:03 PM

Humor: "CIA chief has 'excellent idea' where bin Laden is" - David F Mayer - 6/20/2005 5:50:10 PM
- I think he's in Pakistan - Lindy - 6/21/2005 8:40:32 AM
  - re: I think he was in Pakistan about ten minutes after the war started - Tom Brosz - 6/21/2005 10:58:26 PM
- re: Humor: "CIA chief has 'excellent idea' where bin Laden is" - Doug Ellison - 6/20/2005 6:07:38 PM
  - I disagree. - David F Mayer - 6/20/2005 6:28:20 PM

Socialist Utopia Update - Deadline Zimbabwe - p - 6/21/2005 7:18:10 PM
- National Socialist? Mugabe still wearing that little mustache? - E.P. Grondine - 6/21/2005 10:57:36 PM
- Zimbabwe slides ever deeper down the sewer of no-return. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 6/21/2005 8:38:34 PM

when you're on a roll, don't forget to milk it dry (excuse the mixed metaphor) - Daniel - 6/21/2005 9:07:12 AM

Finally, vindication for Michael Schiavo - Donald - 6/19/2005 4:02:20 PM
- Slow & Out Of Date - Mark Eby - 6/19/2005 4:52:09 PM
  - I don't understand this either - Gary - 6/19/2005 5:12:59 PM
    - Religious right - dtb - 6/20/2005 2:46:42 AM
    - Nothing subtle. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 5:47:30 PM
      - Wow. - Bowser - 6/20/2005 5:13:24 AM
      - That's How I See It - Mark Eby - 6/19/2005 6:54:23 PM
      - re: Nothing subtle. - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 6:53:53 PM
        
        Damn it Tom! Turn off Fox news and THINK!!! - R.L. - 6/20/2005 5:14:36 AM
        
        Question for your Tom - Donald - 6/20/2005 1:18:28 AM
        
        Again, just "wow". - Sam F. - 6/20/2005 1:05:25 PM
        
        The "wow" factor - DOnald - 6/20/2005 1:22:52 PM
        
        Because Maybe He Was Telling The Truth - Mark Eby - 6/19/2005 6:57:23 PM
        
        Nobody in there. - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 9:22:40 PM
        
        Mary Anne's Got You Nailed On This One - Mark Eby - 6/20/2005 2:02:04 AM
        
        Careful. - Tom Brosz - 6/20/2005 7:22:40 AM
        
        Some folks don't care what happens to them after they die. - alcaray - 6/20/2005 9:31:15 PM
        
        Even more important - Donald - 6/21/2005 2:27:41 AM
        
        How many attorneys and judges have to be involved before something becomes a legal issue? - Mary Anne - 6/20/2005 11:45:33 AM
        
        As far as I know, only one judge ruled on the original case. - Tom Brosz - 6/20/2005 5:11:29 PM
        
        Not true - Donald - 6/21/2005 2:11:16 AM
        
        Knocks the slats out of the whole idea of wills. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 9:49:54 PM
        
        Right on target - Donald - 6/20/2005 3:37:57 AM
        
        Wrong target - Sam F. - 6/20/2005 12:53:59 PM
        
        Binary thinking - Donald - 6/20/2005 1:21:32 PM

The town floats on a sea of s*** - E.P. Grondine - 6/15/2005 9:48:51 PM
- Schmucks. Too bad. Prohibition is a failed strategy. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 6/16/2005 4:03:41 PM
- What I haven't figured out... - Tom Brosz - 6/16/2005 12:28:51 AM
  - We allow those that need it to use addictive opiates... - R.L. - 6/17/2005 1:18:42 AM
  - Well, I know that... - R.L. - 6/17/2005 1:16:36 AM
    - You buy that? - Tom Brosz - 6/18/2005 6:25:25 PM
      - We know Tom, you accidentally ate some brownies in college..... (n/t) - Lindy - 6/19/2005 6:12:08 AM
        
        Yeah, it was an 'accident'... and he NEVER inhaled (n/t) - R.L. - 6/20/2005 6:16:11 AM
        
        Hey, inhaling a brownie is no laughing matter. - Tom Brosz - 6/20/2005 5:36:34 PM
        
        (Much worse than a pretzel) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/21/2005 12:57:33 AM
        
        Not that I would know.... - R.L. - 6/20/2005 8:17:46 PM
  - Perhaps this is the answer - E.P. Grondine - 6/16/2005 4:02:04 PM
    - Conservative politicians as the New Preachers - Lindy - 6/16/2005 9:15:41 PM
      - re: Conservative politicians as the New Preachers - SDG - 6/17/2005 7:46:52 AM
        
        Second-hand smoke - Mary Anne - 6/17/2005 7:02:54 PM
        
        re: Second-hand smoke - SDG - 6/18/2005 8:28:31 AM
        
        Drugs of choice - Lindy - 6/18/2005 6:34:33 PM
  - From what I've heard... - Scott Evil - 6/16/2005 1:42:09 PM
  - The pill is far more effective. It's concentrated. - Lee - 6/16/2005 6:34:21 AM
- Hey. We agree. - Scott Evil - 6/15/2005 10:07:05 PM
  - Only a little bit - E.P. Grondine - 6/16/2005 4:10:52 PM
    - re: Only a little bit - Scott Evil - 6/16/2005 5:35:40 PM

6 cars - Raoul - 6/19/2005 6:15:39 PM
- re: 6 cars - Doug Ellison - 6/20/2005 9:23:59 AM
  - re: re:It's indeed too bad, knowing this season is much more exciting than previous years. (n/t) - Raoul - 6/20/2005 4:30:11 PM

How Powerful Is Productivity? - gbaikie - 6/18/2005 10:09:40 AM
- rats! - gb - 6/20/2005 4:43:03 AM
- America's prosperity was mainly due to luck and inertia - Gary - 6/18/2005 11:57:12 PM
  - Individualism - Buck Galaxy - 6/20/2005 2:37:36 AM
    - Go visit your local hardware store - Gary - 6/20/2005 3:09:25 AM
      - Same argument about Japan 15 years ago. - Buck Galaxy - 6/20/2005 3:52:35 AM
  - Capitalism didn't hurt, either. - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 9:29:46 PM
  - re: America's prosperity was mainly due to luck and inertia - gbaikie - 6/19/2005 3:01:43 AM
    - Preaching to the converted - Gary - 6/19/2005 8:32:55 PM
      - re: Preaching to the converted - gbaikie - 6/19/2005 11:12:38 PM
        
        Again: You're preaching to the converted - Gary - 6/20/2005 3:58:54 AM

1,722 - Donald - 6/20/2005 1:23:57 AM

The war on terror - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2005 5:04:02 AM
- re: The war on terror - SDG - 6/13/2005 7:08:24 AM
  - Responding to ObL - Robert - 6/13/2005 11:08:15 PM
    - Oil - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 4:39:31 AM
      - re: Oil - Robert - 6/14/2005 5:58:33 AM
    - re: Responding to ObL - gbaikie - 6/14/2005 1:48:43 AM
      - re: Responding to ObL - Robert - 6/14/2005 8:09:56 PM
      - ANWR - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 4:37:09 AM
        
        re: ANWR - gbaikie - 6/17/2005 7:32:21 AM
    - re: Responding to ObL - SDG - 6/14/2005 1:42:03 AM
- Emmenthaler cheese - Fox - 6/13/2005 2:01:44 AM
  - Looking forward to it! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 2:11:56 AM
    - On second thought... - Fox - 6/15/2005 2:36:11 AM
      - Rhetoric - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 1:03:45 AM
        
        re: Rhetoric - Fox - 6/17/2005 3:30:40 AM
        
        You know, this is why I worry that Western society is doomed. - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 4:11:44 AM
        
        Leftist self-lobotomy - Adam - 6/19/2005 10:59:50 PM
        
        Generalizations about "the Left" - Mary Anne - 6/20/2005 12:39:40 AM
        
        Once more - Fox - 6/17/2005 4:08:03 PM
        
        Why not go back and actually read one of the "Good News from Iraq" posts? - Tom Brosz - 6/18/2005 12:11:01 AM
        
        Point taken - Fox - 6/18/2005 8:49:00 PM
        
        re: Point taken - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 5:16:09 AM
        
        Preaching to the choir: their preferred method. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 12:10:59 PM
        
        Ads - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 9:41:40 PM
        
        NPR is to Rush Limbaugh as - Mary Anne - 6/19/2005 10:03:34 PM
      - I pretty much got the gist of it, didn't I? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 12:34:54 AM
- Liberal for a day. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/13/2005 12:25:54 AM
  - Not ever for a part of a day....... - Publius - 6/13/2005 2:01:50 PM
    - Did you read that right? - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/14/2005 4:53:55 AM
    - Knowing the enemy - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 3:18:40 PM
  - The joys of multiculturalism. - Lee - 6/13/2005 2:21:46 AM
    - Maybe they should take back the stuff they shared with us. - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 3:19:44 AM
      - That was 800 years ago. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 3:56:20 AM
        
        So? It was still theirs. Multiculturalism. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 11:23:21 AM
        
        re: So? It was still theirs. Multiculturalism. - gbaikie - 6/15/2005 12:39:27 AM
  - Not bad.:) - FrankC - 6/13/2005 1:44:21 AM
    - Thanks Frank - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/13/2005 3:14:20 AM
  - "I can out-liberal a liberal when the need arises" - Lindy - 6/13/2005 1:17:22 AM
    - Hurricanes & howitzers - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/13/2005 2:26:37 AM
- The war on thought - Robert - 6/12/2005 9:43:23 PM
  - re: The war on thought - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 1:52:23 AM
    - De-constructing the sound byte "War on Terror" - Lindy - 6/13/2005 3:38:38 AM
      - re: De-constructing the sound byte "War on Terror" - Robert - 6/13/2005 4:16:24 AM
    - re: The war on thought - Robert - 6/13/2005 3:32:06 AM
      - Thoughts. (Random) - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 4:57:06 AM
        
        re: Thoughts. (Massive) - Robert - 6/13/2005 10:08:42 PM
        
        re: Thoughts - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 8:24:21 AM
        
        re: Thoughts - gbaikie - 6/14/2005 8:38:35 PM
        
        re: Thoughts and more thoughts - Robert - 6/14/2005 7:06:11 PM
        
        P.S. Bandwidth - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 9:22:39 PM
        
        Check your premises - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 8:58:14 PM
        
        USA as armed camp - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 11:01:18 PM
        
        re: USA as armed camp - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 12:33:55 AM
        
        re: USA as armed camp - Mary Anne - 6/17/2005 5:29:37 PM
        
        I can agree with you on one issue. - Lee - 6/16/2005 6:39:57 AM
        
        Ah, but it will never happen. - Mary Anne - 6/16/2005 11:30:40 AM
        
        Dang Tom! - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/14/2005 9:13:08 AM
        
        Yeah, but...........where am I? (n/t) - Lindy - 6/19/2005 6:19:22 AM
      - Relieved of your moderator cloak... - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/13/2005 3:40:16 AM
        
        Looking forward to it - Robert - 6/13/2005 3:56:08 AM
  - Okay starting fom square one... - FrankC - 6/13/2005 12:55:43 AM
  - re: The war on thought - gbaikie - 6/12/2005 10:42:11 PM
    - Current Events IS the "War Zone" (n/t) - Lindy - 6/13/2005 1:20:12 AM
      - Too true. - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 1:31:40 AM
- Nice Summary Tom - Mark Eby - 6/12/2005 5:04:45 PM
  - Tom is so good at doing this. (I'm impressed) - Gary - 6/12/2005 7:36:46 PM
    - Is "this" a good thing? - Robert - 6/12/2005 9:51:00 PM
    - re: Tom is so good at doing this. (I'm impressed) - Mary Anne - 6/12/2005 8:06:13 PM
      - Precisely - Mark Eby - 6/12/2005 11:08:35 PM
        
        I don't think the alternatives have been fully tried. - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 12:58:26 AM
        
        Good response. - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 2:11:10 AM
        
        Joe Muslim. (Oh, and thanks.) - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 2:59:11 AM
        
        re: Joe Muslim. (Oh, and thanks.) - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 5:16:49 AM
        
        A stable currency....really? - Lee - 6/13/2005 7:57:01 AM
        
        At this point, stable is miracle enough. - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 8:11:49 AM
        
        Just 2.1 million dinars. - Lee - 6/14/2005 2:09:00 AM
        
        By The Way - Mark Eby - 6/12/2005 11:15:18 PM
        
        You and me, Mark - Fox - 6/13/2005 2:05:17 AM
        
        World Opinion Does Matter - Mark Eby - 6/13/2005 2:17:33 AM
- A little lste now for those questions, Tom - E.P. Grondine - 6/12/2005 4:30:06 PM
- re: Bush's war on terror - Eric - 6/12/2005 11:30:58 AM
  - I'll vote for #6 and #2 (n/t) - Lindy - 6/12/2005 6:11:29 PM

wish somebody would have thought of this three years ago - E.P. Grondine - 6/19/2005 3:38:20 AM
- I don't get it. - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2005 5:04:31 AM
  - Don't feel alone, Tom. I don't get it either - E.P. Grondine - 6/19/2005 2:27:18 PM

Iran seems to be a democracy - Pakistan, a military dictatorship. - Bowser - 6/18/2005 4:48:10 AM
- re: Iran seems to be a democracy - Pakistan, a military dictatorship. - David F Mayer - 6/19/2005 2:50:31 AM
- ???? - Mark Eby - 6/18/2005 11:38:51 PM
- re: Iran seems to be a democracy - Pakistan, a military dictatorship. - gbaikie - 6/18/2005 6:48:11 AM
  - democracy?. - FrankC - 6/18/2005 5:17:31 PM
    - ?. (n/t) - gbaikie - 6/19/2005 2:02:57 AM
      - That was meant to be a reply to Bowser (n/t) - FrankC - 6/19/2005 3:21:49 AM
  - Silly - Bowser - 6/18/2005 2:16:08 PM
    - re: Silly - gbaikie - 6/18/2005 3:46:44 PM
      - Sillier. (n/t) - Bowser - 6/19/2005 1:10:45 AM
      - re: Silly - dtb - 6/18/2005 4:57:33 PM
        
        re: Silly - gbaikie - 6/19/2005 1:36:24 AM
        
        Khan helped NK, not other way around - dtb - 6/19/2005 3:48:00 AM
        
        re: Khan helped NK, not other way around - gbaikie - 6/19/2005 10:33:33 AM

Funny, sad, pathetic. "Two Top Guns Shoot Blanks" - Bowser - 6/19/2005 5:26:18 AM

1,720 - Donald - 6/18/2005 1:18:02 PM
- Operation Spear - Tom Brosz - 6/18/2005 5:30:08 PM
  - Let's start at the beginning, shall we - E.P. Grondine - 6/19/2005 2:11:27 AM
  - More - Buck Galaxy - 6/19/2005 1:44:22 AM

Confessions of an ex-leftist - Annonymous Coward - 6/17/2005 12:12:35 PM
- re: Confessions of an ex-leftist - gbaikie - 6/17/2005 9:44:11 PM
- re: Confessions of an ex-leftist - E.P. Grondine - 6/17/2005 2:35:00 PM
  - Tell ya what... - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 5:14:47 PM
    - re: Tell ya what... - E.P. Grondine - 6/18/2005 2:04:57 AM
      - Another view on this... - Tom Brosz - 6/18/2005 6:16:12 PM
        
        It sure is... - E.P. Grpndine - 6/19/2005 1:43:35 AM

Gitmo's fifteen minutes might be up... - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 8:08:13 AM
- Don't forget those who were prisoners of the North Koreans... - Larry J - 6/13/2005 1:16:54 PM
  - Of course. - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 2:53:09 PM
    - So everything short of what's shown in your examples... - alcaray - 6/13/2005 3:30:36 PM
      - re: Maybe we should put Whacko jacko in charge of Gitmo. - Scott Evil - 6/14/2005 5:48:03 PM
      - No, it shows that what is being described as "torture" is bogus - Larry J - 6/13/2005 5:11:38 PM
        
        questions too hard? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/13/2005 6:17:36 PM
        
        Too damned busy to bother with silly questions - Larry J - 6/14/2005 12:44:10 AM
        
        I stipulate that many people in the history of the world have been treated very poorly - alcaray - 6/14/2005 2:40:18 PM
        
        You must have led a very sheltered life - Larry J - 6/15/2005 2:29:37 PM
        
        They hang Marines from door frames by their wrists for hours as part of basic? - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 9:45:02 PM
        
        You'd be surprised what they do to Marine recruits (and Army ones, too) - Larry J - 6/16/2005 5:40:34 PM
        
        Oh It's Torture All Right - Mark Eby - 6/14/2005 1:48:27 AM
        
        I went through worse treatment in basic training - Larry J - 6/15/2005 2:27:42 PM
        
        You died in training? But got better? (n/t) - Tony - 6/15/2005 5:59:12 PM
        
        Why Do So Many Equate Panties On The Head With Death? - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 11:04:20 PM
        
        Why Do So Many Equate Panties On The Head With Torture? - Tony - 6/16/2005 4:02:40 PM
        
        There Were No Incidences Of Death Listed In The Original Sources Of This Thread - ID - 6/16/2005 4:42:00 PM
        
        re: There Were No Incidences Of Death Listed In The Original Sources Of This Thread - Tony - 6/16/2005 5:25:05 PM
        
        re: Why Do So Many Equate Beatings and Death in Custody with Panties On The Head? - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 11:32:29 PM
        
        re: Why Do So Many Equate Beatings and Death in Custody with Panties On The Head? - Mark Eby - 6/16/2005 12:39:55 AM
        
        No, but a lot of military members do die in training - Larry J - 6/15/2005 8:24:39 PM
        
        Woosh goes the point passing your head - Tony - 6/15/2005 9:09:15 PM
        
        No prisoner has died at Gitmo - Larry J - 6/16/2005 5:44:15 PM
        
        Focus, Larry, focus - Tony - 6/16/2005 6:39:13 PM
        
        Well, the original subject of the thread WAS Gitmo. - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 12:23:04 AM
        
        And now you are quoting Rush. - alcaray - 6/14/2005 2:42:00 PM
        
        Now You Dellusional - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 1:51:53 AM
        
        Rush was the one who started using "frat boys" to... - alcaray - 6/16/2005 3:12:28 PM
        
        Some People Can Think For Themselves - ID - 6/16/2005 4:36:39 PM
        
        Not a very informed post, my friend. - alcaray - 6/16/2005 4:59:15 PM
        
        It's easier than thinking... - R.L. - 6/14/2005 7:43:47 PM
        
        Is That Your Excuse? - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 1:57:57 AM
        
        Saddening and maddening, isn't it? - Sam F. - 6/15/2005 10:27:28 AM
        
        re: Saddening and maddening, isn't it? - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 10:33:53 PM
        
        Grammar correction - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 11:50:25 PM
        
        Sorry MaryAnne Life Isn't That Simple - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 11:00:12 PM
        
        Trade-offs - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 12:29:38 AM
        
        On this one Rush is right. - Scott Evil - 6/14/2005 5:50:31 PM
        
        re: Oh It's Torture All Right - R.L. - 6/14/2005 8:56:58 AM
        
        re: Oh It's Torture All Right - Mark Eby - 6/14/2005 11:14:39 AM
        
        Face it. The left has lost it. - Scott Evil - 6/14/2005 6:01:40 PM
        
        Did you have an ounce of sorrow for these desperados? - alcaray - 6/16/2005 10:15:44 PM
        
        I'm sorry, is there an age limit on Middle Eastern fighters? - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 3:37:05 AM
        
        Were these "fighters", then? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/17/2005 3:05:38 PM
        
        Do you care? - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 10:59:11 PM
        
        One of them was not even a teenager when we took him. - alcaray - 6/18/2005 1:06:28 AM
        
        If honey and dates were the worst, then you'ld be right. (n/t) - Tony - 6/13/2005 5:19:44 PM
        
        re: the worst - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 6:16:22 PM
        
        Nixon didn't have to resign because of any war. - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 7:02:04 PM
        
        I was there. - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 4:31:59 AM
        
        So was I. In fact, I watched the hearings. - Mary Anne - 6/14/2005 6:33:00 PM
        
        I Think Tom's Out On A Limb On This One. - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 2:00:40 AM
        
        re: out on a limb - Tom Brosz - 6/15/2005 4:31:39 AM
        
        Drugs and the embittered remnants of old-school liberalism - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/15/2005 1:59:57 AM
        
        PS This was not an indictment of any old-school liberals here ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/15/2005 4:36:25 AM

1,718 - Donald - 6/18/2005 12:54:49 AM

Sustainablog comment onthe "death" of enviroliberalism. - et - 6/15/2005 3:24:32 AM
- re: enviroliberalism. - Tom Brosz - 6/15/2005 6:38:04 AM
  - Economic externalities reduce individual choice and freedom - pwokenyaw - 6/15/2005 5:34:28 PM
    - re: Economic externalities reduce individual choice and freedom - phil - 6/15/2005 5:49:06 PM
      - Libertarianism - Tom Brosz - 6/15/2005 8:33:01 PM
  - re: enviroliberalism. - Jeff at sustainablog - 6/15/2005 3:06:32 PM
    - re: enviroliberalism. - Tom Brosz - 6/15/2005 8:53:33 PM
      - re: enviroliberalism. - p - 6/16/2005 12:13:57 AM
        
        Peak power needs - Tom Brosz - 6/16/2005 12:41:06 AM
        
        If the solar panels were placed 6-10 inches higher than the roof it might work. - Scott Evil - 6/16/2005 1:57:48 PM
        
        Till the high winds come along....Good Idea though. (n/t) - et - 6/16/2005 4:02:19 PM
        
        re: Peak power needs - p - 6/16/2005 2:05:22 AM
        
        re: Peak power needs - pwokenyaw - 6/16/2005 9:10:39 PM
        
        thanks for the input - keep us updated (n/t) - p - 6/16/2005 9:19:38 PM
        
        re: Peak power needs - Tom Brosz - 6/16/2005 4:27:59 AM
  - re: enviroliberalism. - Doug Ellison - 6/15/2005 2:18:11 PM
    - re: enviroliberalism. - phil - 6/15/2005 2:32:58 PM
      - Ah, yes... the corporation as "individual" - Fox - 6/15/2005 5:13:25 PM
        
        total straw person arguement (n/t) - p - 6/15/2005 5:14:43 PM
        
        re: total straw person arguement - Jeff at sustainablog - 6/15/2005 7:26:49 PM
        
        re: total straw person arguement - p - 6/15/2005 7:33:28 PM
        
        Tell me, Phil... - Mary Anne - 6/16/2005 4:36:39 AM
        
        re: Tell me, Mary Anne - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 5:54:57 AM
        
        Just look where things are placed. - Mary Anne - 6/17/2005 5:13:44 PM
        
        re: Just look where things are placed. - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 10:56:54 PM
        
        Exaggerating again. - Mary Anne - 6/18/2005 12:23:53 AM
        
        Ted Kenndey & John Kerry vs Cape Wind - phil - 6/17/2005 7:20:58 PM
        
        Not issue-driven. - Mary Anne - 6/17/2005 7:39:59 PM
        
        Hyannisport Cape Wind is Ted Kennedy NIMBY pure & simple (n/t) - p - 6/17/2005 9:44:45 PM
        
        re: Tell me, Phil... - gbaikie - 6/16/2005 5:23:20 AM

Rocking in Iran - gbaikie - 6/18/2005 12:04:40 AM

Wel Bush Jr2 Just Lost A Chance At My Vote - Mark Eby - 6/18/2005 12:00:59 AM
- Don't You Love Typos In the Title Line? - Mark Eby - 6/18/2005 12:02:31 AM

Another Zarqawi aide captured - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 1:48:52 AM
- Please note that the coward gave up without a fight. - David F Mayer - 6/17/2005 11:59:46 AM
  - That's preferred behavior in an enemy - alcaray - 6/17/2005 3:01:30 PM
    - True. Fighting to the death does not benefit us at all. - David F Mayer - 6/17/2005 6:41:45 PM

Terri Schiavo: Science, Reason and Politics - Donald - 6/16/2005 1:02:01 PM
- Well Since Bill Just Paid Of His Whitewater Bills - Mark Eby - 6/17/2005 1:51:34 AM
- re: Terri Schiavo: Science, Reason and Politics - gbaikie - 6/17/2005 12:55:26 AM
  - Bill Frist accepts autopsy findings - Donald - 6/17/2005 1:47:34 AM
  - Comment - Donald - 6/17/2005 1:29:42 AM
    - No dispute. - RobVG - 6/17/2005 3:46:07 AM
      - re: No dispute. - Donald - 6/17/2005 5:05:47 AM
        
        I hope that's true. (n/t) - RobVG - 6/17/2005 2:39:09 PM
- re: Terri Schiavo: Science, Reason and Politics - Robert - 6/16/2005 5:54:56 PM
  - Thank you - Donald - 6/17/2005 1:26:30 AM

Bill '666' Gates & China - phil - 6/17/2005 1:08:23 PM

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