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Another comment on the red states - Tom Brosz - 11/7/2004 1:33:09 AM
- In 2022 at this rate with that attitude... - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/7/2004 4:04:49 AM
- Are you suggesting that the map is historically inaccurate? - Mary Anne - 11/7/2004 2:55:04 AM
  - You can at least take well-earned pride in your integrity. - Tom Brosz - 11/7/2004 4:33:31 AM

How to tell when Democrats have lost - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 4:22:09 PM
- Simpler answer - Nick Hoffman - 11/7/2004 3:45:18 AM
- re: How to tell when Democrats have lost - Chris Vancil - 11/5/2004 9:32:32 AM
- Uh, self absorbed whining and hissey fit threats to move away? (n/t) - p - 11/4/2004 5:05:55 PM
  - It seems to have been a fairly won, and lost, election. Unfortunately, one has to wonder. - Bowser - 11/5/2004 2:17:37 AM
    - You are confusing a science ficiton novel with reality. - ebnelson - 11/5/2004 3:47:15 PM
    - Bowser, I'm sorry, but some of you are starting to sound like nuts. - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 3:39:41 AM
      - You have real nerve talking to people about "real compassion". - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 3:23:50 PM
        
        re: You have real nerve - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 5:54:55 PM
        
        Yeah right, Tom... I bet that meatloaf was made from... - r.l. - 11/6/2004 10:49:20 PM
        
        "You have no idea what real compassion means" - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 6:19:53 PM
        
        I believe the phrase Bowser used referring to conservatives was "combined compassion of a starving cobra." - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 7:13:51 PM
        
        Point to you - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 9:08:32 PM
        
        You pay $30K in taxes that go to charity? (n/t) - alcaray - 11/5/2004 6:15:12 PM
      - So why should you care if the nuts leave? - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 3:22:18 PM
  - Go take a flying leap for yourself, stupid. - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 6:04:29 PM
    - Mary Anne, you still haven't explained... - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 9:44:56 PM
      - Vote of no confidence - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 3:16:28 PM
        
        Pennsylvania - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 6:18:02 PM
        
        I lived in Vermont once. - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 6:30:43 PM
        
        Another solution - FrankC - 11/5/2004 7:13:01 PM
        
        Perspective - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 6:13:30 PM
        
        stay strong and optimistic .. - Daniel - 11/5/2004 6:10:13 PM
        
        Oh, yeah... hyenas *do* have stripes... - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 10:44:11 PM
        
        It's not as bad as it looks. - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 11:57:40 PM
        
        Conservatives aren't alternative, contradictory and radical. - Mary Anne - 11/6/2004 12:08:50 AM
        
        Acting nutty? - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 12:14:21 AM
        
        Powerless here, powerless there - FrankC - 11/5/2004 5:59:59 PM
        
        Paying the bill here, not paying the bill there. - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 6:27:43 PM
        
        Mary Anne, ya win some , ya lose some. - alcaray - 11/5/2004 5:40:54 PM
        
        Thanks. - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 6:56:58 PM
- It takes two to tango - ebnelson - 11/4/2004 4:57:51 PM

"To My Fellow Democrats" - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 2:40:02 AM
- Fuck off Tom - Art Martin - 11/6/2004 5:23:49 AM
  - A suggestion for Art, Bowser, Chris V, et al - Buck Galaxy - 11/6/2004 10:10:01 PM
  - Wow. I think that's my first F-bomb. - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 8:24:17 PM
    - He's persecuted Tom. He lives in Arizona with a ten point conservative spread. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/7/2004 1:18:23 AM
      - Hey, I live in California. Tell me about it. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/7/2004 1:28:42 AM
  - I'll second that - Lindy - 11/6/2004 5:16:12 PM
    - The draft scare - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 8:34:36 PM
    - Uh Lindy - Mark Eby - 11/6/2004 7:50:37 PM
    - Yes - some points - Daniel - 11/6/2004 5:35:21 PM
  - I missed something - SteveS - 11/6/2004 1:47:01 PM
  - Yep!! (n/t) - Bowser - 11/6/2004 5:56:28 AM
- Hey, *I'm* a Republican! - Mary Anne - 11/6/2004 3:22:14 AM
  - re: Republican - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 4:09:04 AM
    - "Is it inconceivable that maybe normal people just didn't agree with how Democrats do things today?" - Mary Anne - 11/6/2004 4:39:39 AM
      - Misunderstood - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 4:57:29 AM

Why it took so long for the networks and CNN to call Ohio - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 5:37:08 PM
- Just out of curiousity - LJ - 11/5/2004 9:38:42 PM
  - Kerry would win... - FrankC - 11/5/2004 10:20:16 PM
- What are you complaining about? - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 6:07:24 PM
  - re: What are you complaining about? - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 6:46:09 PM
    - Tell me what you would prefer, on Election Night: - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 8:34:04 PM
      - I would probably prefer the first alternative - FrankC - 11/5/2004 9:23:50 PM

Exit polls: the November Surprise? - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 5:25:33 AM
- No surprise - tony - 11/5/2004 7:31:56 PM
  - Interesting questions. - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 7:58:44 PM

"Bedroom Nations" - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 5:47:38 AM
- re: "Bedroom Nations" - steve smyth - 11/4/2004 3:52:35 PM
- re: Greener grass - Raoul - 11/4/2004 6:52:33 AM
  - re: Greener grass - REB - 11/4/2004 1:27:44 PM
    - re: Greener grass - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 4:09:51 PM
- And your point is...? - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 5:59:11 AM
  - I've been trying to get to the freaking Moon for thirty years. - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 6:24:13 AM
    - On emigration - Fox - 11/5/2004 3:17:59 AM
      - P.S. - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 4:19:48 AM
        
        If you are going to say that surveys are unreliable, be sure not to rely on any yourself. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 3:52:41 PM
      - re: On emigration - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 3:43:43 AM
        
        The communities we don't have anymore - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 4:03:59 PM
        
        My mom spent her time raising all three of us. Thank God. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 7:18:44 PM

Why the need for absolute power? - Art Martin - 9/27/2004 6:23:13 PM
- I'll happily settle for good government. (n/t) - alcaray - 11/5/2004 12:14:12 AM
- Premises - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 10:26:56 PM
  - Man, where did this post come from? lol - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 10:55:17 PM
    - Aha - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 11:50:46 PM
      - re: Aha - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 12:00:07 AM
- You seem too obsessed with religion - FrankC - 9/28/2004 2:20:46 AM
  - Have you watched the 700 Club? - alcaray - 9/28/2004 8:44:39 PM
    - Imissed their death sentances and incitement to terror. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 1:56:18 AM
      - Remember how they said 9-11 was gods punishment? - R.L. - 9/30/2004 9:14:06 PM
      - You lost me completely. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/29/2004 6:11:16 PM
        
        They are the 'American Taliban', after all. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 7:44:14 PM
        
        If you say so. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/29/2004 8:46:39 PM
    - re: Have you watched the 700 Club? - FrankC - 9/28/2004 9:56:02 PM
      - I did not make my point clearly - alcaray - 9/28/2004 10:14:40 PM
        
        As opposed to the left wing propaganda... - Larry J - 9/30/2004 12:08:49 AM
        
        Don't think the sources you list have the leverage that I was talking about - alcaray - 9/30/2004 4:14:54 PM
  - I'm obsessed with religious extremists. - Art Martin - 9/28/2004 2:48:21 AM
    - re: I'm obsessed with religious extremists. - gbaikie - 9/28/2004 8:15:03 PM
      - re: I'm obsessed with religious extremists. - burleson - 11/4/2004 9:51:43 PM
      - Cows and humans - Art Martin - 9/30/2004 3:13:18 AM
        
        re: Cows and humans - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 8:45:07 AM
        
        Cannibal? - Art Martin - 10/1/2004 5:15:45 PM
        
        re: Cannibal? - gbaikie - 10/2/2004 10:19:32 AM
        
        I know many Indians of the Hindu persuasion who eat beef. (n/t) - alcaray - 11/4/2004 9:57:19 PM
      - Anti-religious bigots are very popular these days. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 2:01:55 AM
    - re: Humanism - Raoul - 9/28/2004 3:15:13 PM
    - Possibly you are just obsessed. - ebnelson - 9/28/2004 3:00:51 PM
      - re: Possibly you are just obsessed. - burleson - 11/4/2004 10:34:47 PM
      - Possibly you have a hard time reading - Art Martin - 9/28/2004 7:52:15 PM
        
        No, possibly you say more than you realize. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 2:00:19 AM
        
        Oh come on Ed, at least read him properly - Daniel - 11/5/2004 5:53:18 PM
- Sounds like sour grapes to me. - Lee - 9/28/2004 1:42:00 AM
- They're called elections - Larry J - 9/27/2004 9:15:00 PM
- re: Why the need for absolute power? - gbaikie - 9/27/2004 7:49:54 PM
- Perhaps you should address it to the Islamo-fascists? - ebnelson - 9/27/2004 7:02:12 PM
  - What's an "Islamo-fascists"? A pissed Iraqi who wants his country back? - Lindy - 9/28/2004 3:15:22 AM
    - No, an Islamofascist is someone who wants to kill you - ebnelson - 9/28/2004 3:06:06 PM
- re: Cohabitation - Raoul - 9/27/2004 6:41:56 PM
  - re: Ideology. - Marcia - 9/27/2004 10:16:06 PM

If Osama bin Laden is a smart as he seems to be... - LJ - 11/3/2004 10:36:29 PM
- re: If Osama bin Laden is a smart as he seems to be... - Art Martin - 11/3/2004 10:44:08 PM
  - Osama has had three years to launch an attack. - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 1:14:36 AM
    - re: Osama has had three years to launch an attack. - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 11:07:25 PM
    - His goal has been to split us, one against the other. - ebnelson - 11/4/2004 7:14:06 PM
    - re: Osama has had three years to launch an attack. - LJ - 11/4/2004 5:11:07 PM
      - re: Osama has had three years to launch an attack. - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 11:08:34 PM

And the winner is: - Tony - 11/3/2004 6:49:51 PM
- re: And the winner is: - REB - 11/3/2004 7:46:22 PM
  - 2008 - if you say Hillary is running I'm gonna scream ;-) (n/t) - Tony - 11/3/2004 7:49:53 PM
- tickypoo - FrankC - 11/3/2004 7:18:43 PM
  - Ickypoo - Lindy - 11/4/2004 2:06:34 PM
    - political animals - FrankC - 11/4/2004 4:10:18 PM
  - Fingers crossed here for that - Tony - 11/3/2004 7:51:58 PM

Spotlight's on - Art Martin - 11/3/2004 9:40:54 PM
- The Whole Enchilada - Lindy - 11/4/2004 5:42:05 AM
  - What's really funny... - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 6:27:59 AM
    - Raw fear of absolute power - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 6:40:53 AM
      - Bush ain't exactly the ideal conservative either. - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 6:57:03 AM

The Official Who's Gonna Win What Contest - Tony - 10/13/2004 6:53:38 PM
- bump bump ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/3/2004 5:18:23 AM
- My predictions, one more time: - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:14:01 PM
  - Wrap up - Tom Brosz - 11/3/2004 9:23:06 PM
- This is what you were talking about! - alcaray - 10/28/2004 11:50:45 PM
- Bump! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2004 8:21:22 PM
  - re: Rebump! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2004 11:12:09 PM
    - re: Threebump! (n/t) - LJ - 11/2/2004 4:20:24 PM
- Shockingly it will be Nader in a landslide - R.L. - 10/21/2004 4:40:24 AM
- Sorry, Tony. I don't play the lottery either. - Mary Anne - 10/20/2004 11:56:32 AM
  - His computer is deeply saddened. ;^) (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/21/2004 4:11:41 PM
  - That's OK. You're the last person who'd need a "Get out of thread free" card ;-) - Tony - 10/20/2004 1:24:19 PM
- Well if you put it THAT way - LJ - 10/19/2004 8:53:03 PM
  - I'll take my crow with barbecue sauce and a rum & coke. (n/t) - LJ - 11/3/2004 5:40:44 PM
- Okay, okay... I'll bite - Davin L. - 10/19/2004 6:53:00 PM
- BUMP for Ed, RobVG, LJ, alcaray, MaryAnne, Robert, Good Steve, RL, Davin, Bowser, Raoul, Chris, "Julie", Mark, "ID" and any others whose names I am too lazy to type..... (n/t) - Tony - 10/19/2004 6:03:07 PM
  - Why is my name in your title? (n/t) - R.L. - 10/21/2004 6:28:44 AM
    - Oh, I dunno. Rough guess would be you're a regular who hadn't participated in the thread? (n/t) - Tony - 10/21/2004 4:16:34 PM
- The Outcome is Pre-determined - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/15/2004 1:50:11 PM
  - Can't your future self come back and tell me the exact spread? - Tony - 10/15/2004 2:33:33 PM
    - 274 BC 255 KE - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/15/2004 10:34:53 PM
      - Tell your future self he cant count either......... (n/t) - tony - 10/16/2004 4:50:21 AM
        
        No... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/16/2004 9:26:48 PM
    - re: I'll give you a hint: - Scott Evil - 10/15/2004 2:38:35 PM
- re: The Official Who's Gonna Win What Contest - FrankC - 10/13/2004 11:06:56 PM
- re: The Official Who's Gonna Win What Contest - SteveS - 10/13/2004 10:40:19 PM
- re: The Official Who's Gonna Win What Contest - REB - 10/13/2004 8:26:03 PM
  - I still say Bush 286 and Kerry 252 - REB - 11/3/2004 3:42:56 PM
  - re: Bush winning Florida won't be an upset! - Scott Evil - 10/13/2004 8:49:11 PM
- Only one prediction about which I have any certainty... - McFly - 10/13/2004 8:06:53 PM
- re: the Evil Answers - Scott Evil - 10/13/2004 7:38:13 PM
- Sorry. I've already gotten as specific as I'm going to. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/13/2004 7:13:18 PM
  - Weiner! - Tony - 10/13/2004 7:39:47 PM
    - "238 - 300" Heh heh heh. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/14/2004 12:08:03 AM
      - re: Wow! Kerry wins with 300 points impressive! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 10/17/2004 2:31:46 AM

If I were Bush.. - FrankC - 11/1/2004 11:44:46 PM
- re: Listen you lunatic... - Scott Evil - 11/2/2004 5:55:30 PM
- But thankfully, you are not, and even more thankfully, he is not you. (n/t) - ebnelson - 11/2/2004 4:42:24 PM
- "The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in ourselves..." - Mary Anne - 11/2/2004 2:09:07 PM
  - "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow," - FrankC - 11/2/2004 7:56:20 PM
    - re: "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow," - Marcia - 11/2/2004 9:30:55 PM
      - re: I was thinking it fells like a big snowstorm is on the way in... - Scott Evil - 11/2/2004 10:50:44 PM
- Huh? - Lindy - 11/2/2004 3:05:28 AM
- Uh Frank, what's really going on buddy? (n/t) - et - 11/2/2004 1:10:20 AM
  - terminal ennui (n/t) - FrankC - 11/2/2004 3:46:50 AM
    - Frank - you're the self-styled moderate! (n/t) - Bowser - 11/2/2004 3:49:20 AM
      - What's not moderate about kind and generous? (n/t) - FrankC - 11/2/2004 4:24:07 AM
        
        That's a moderate liberal. OR, a renegade, misguided conservative. (n/t) - Bowser - 11/2/2004 6:01:18 AM
- 'would probably start with a "Pledge Allegiance to Bush", wouldn't you? - Bowser - 11/2/2004 12:53:12 AM
  - Isn't that a done deal? - Publius - 11/2/2004 4:53:44 PM
    - Yep. Here's the link - Bowser - 11/2/2004 6:42:13 PM

Oh, Lord, are any other Californians out there still staring at the voting package? - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2004 6:04:15 AM
- A comment on Proposition 72 - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:46:48 PM
- Got it finally worked out. - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:32:46 PM
- LOL! - alcaray - 10/28/2004 10:25:05 PM
  - For the record... - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2004 10:35:56 PM
    - Same with all the stuff you get from the candidates themselves - alcaray - 10/28/2004 10:53:06 PM

Red State vs. Blue State attitudes - Tom Brosz - 10/28/2004 10:34:59 PM
- Hilarious, thanks Tom (n/t) - McFly - 10/30/2004 1:24:03 PM
- Q.E.D. - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 7:43:19 PM
  - I think neither are insults. - Tony - 10/29/2004 9:33:00 PM
    - You are aware that I'm talking philosophies, not actual physical locations, right? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 10:40:14 PM
      - Yes. Wanna answer the question? (n/t) - tony - 10/30/2004 2:37:48 PM
        
        Did it ever occur to you that I might not have been talking about you personally? - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2004 6:39:06 AM
        
        Not playing thick or taking it personally. - Tony - 11/1/2004 10:03:19 PM
        
        re: playing thick - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:43:57 AM
        
        The question : Wanna tell me what this blue-stater doesn't get? (n/t) - Tony - 11/2/2004 2:25:21 PM
        
        My post, reworded: - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:06:22 PM
- Thanks for showing us......... - Pkublius - 10/29/2004 2:16:27 PM
- Oooh, ooh, i get it....... - Tony - 10/29/2004 1:57:10 PM
  - No, you don't either. - Mary Anne - 11/1/2004 3:00:20 AM
    - "...Republicans think it's all about hair." Okay, there's a good example of someone not getting it. - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2004 5:08:47 PM
      - The Bush campaign does seem to think its all about... - alcaray - 11/1/2004 5:59:08 PM
- re: Red State vs. Blue State attitudes - gbaikie - 10/28/2004 11:10:41 PM
- What don't I get? (n/t) - alcaray - 10/28/2004 10:57:42 PM

Walter Cronkite, Psycho Hose Beast - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2004 5:25:43 AM
- It is so sad to see that he has not grown a bit since the Tet Offensive. (n/t) - ebnelson - 11/2/2004 4:44:36 PM
- A guy expressing a thought, and you can't stand it. - Bowser - 11/1/2004 8:35:20 PM
  - re: A guy expressing a thought - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 5:56:07 PM
  - re: Worship him if you must. - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 8:53:16 PM
- Tim Blair has the emails between bin Laden and Rove! - Larry J - 11/1/2004 6:36:08 PM
- re: Who is Walter Cronkite? - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 3:34:03 PM
  - Part of recent American history. For one to be ignorant of that, is to be ignorant. (n/t) - Bowser - 11/1/2004 8:37:33 PM
    - re: You really are a dumbass. - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 8:52:03 PM
      - Heh, heh. I know who Walther Cronkite is. (n/t) - Bowser - 11/1/2004 9:21:20 PM
        
        re: that's good. - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 9:22:58 PM
  - re: Who is Walter Cronkite? - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2004 5:06:00 PM
    - Don't waste anger on the past! - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 6:50:49 PM
- re: Walter Cronkite - Raoul - 10/31/2004 10:25:12 PM

Disenfranchisement - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 6:03:13 AM
- The Rs tactics DO lend a "super-enfranchisement" to R votes, I'll admit. - Bowser - 10/30/2004 10:34:28 AM
- You want us to defend illegal votes??? - alcaray - 10/29/2004 3:43:30 PM
  - No. Maybe you can defend the Democratic opposition to preventing illegal voting. - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 7:36:30 PM
    - Remember the Republican Brownshirts who stormed the Florida ballot recounting? - Bowser - 10/30/2004 12:39:03 AM
      - They only exist in your delusions. - ebnelson - 11/2/2004 4:47:06 PM
      - re: Republican Brownshirts - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2004 9:41:13 PM
    - Give me a specific case and I'll be happy to discuss it. I don't buy your premise, right off the shelf, though. (n/t) - alcaray - 10/29/2004 7:56:35 PM
      - Find your own specific, discuss it, and then settle back to the "straw man" argument. (n/t) - Bowser - 11/1/2004 8:38:38 PM
      - Google search on "voter rolls, ID, and minorities" - Tom Brosz - 10/30/2004 11:05:29 PM
        
        You think this is a list of Democrat misbehavior??? - alcaray - 11/1/2004 5:21:36 PM
        
        re: list - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 5:35:37 PM
- That reminds me...don't vote for Kerry! Save America! - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/29/2004 7:00:03 AM
  - Yeah: "vote for Bush or the terrorists are gonna gitcha" - alcaray - 10/29/2004 3:45:46 PM
    - re: Yes, and fear works to push people to irrational voting and Bush knows this. It's his only hope...pitifully really! Mustn't change horse in mid stream...unless your on a dead one. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 10/30/2004 7:10:39 AM
  - re: But John Kerry will extend unemployment benefits... - Wowser - 10/29/2004 1:43:42 PM
  - Hate Literature - Lindy - 10/29/2004 1:06:04 PM
    - It helps if one sees it in context with its kin - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/30/2004 12:59:32 AM
      - "The Center of the Vortex"? - Bowser - 10/30/2004 10:27:55 AM
    - Adolescent hate literature. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/29/2004 2:50:01 PM

The Golden Rule - Raoul - 9/30/2004 10:15:17 AM
- Everybody's mad at France, Raoul, where ya been? ;-) (n/t) - Le McFly - 9/30/2004 9:01:58 PM
  - re: 120 km from its borders;) (n/t) - Raoul - 10/1/2004 8:41:31 AM
- re: The Golden Rule - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 11:36:29 AM
  - Jeez. Don't hate us because we are beautiful. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/30/2004 5:44:47 PM
  - A little early in the morning to be smoking crack, isnt it? - R.L. - 9/30/2004 5:29:56 PM
    - re: A little early in the morning to be smoking crack, isnt it? - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 8:04:39 PM
      - "The Taliban is what the Afghanistans selected"- I think we can all agree gbaikie has finally lost it... - R.L. - 10/1/2004 4:40:48 AM
        
        Hey moron gbaikie is right. - Todd - 10/1/2004 6:14:38 AM
        
        re: Not all Afghans wanted the Taliban. - Marcia - 10/1/2004 1:13:22 PM
      - They "selected" the Taliban? - Tony - 9/30/2004 8:27:54 PM
        
        Tyrannies, new warfare, and "carpet bombing." - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 9:31:35 PM
        
        re: Differences of interpretation - Raoul - 10/1/2004 9:00:26 AM
        
        re: Differences of interpretation - Tom Brosz - 10/1/2004 5:00:36 PM
        
        Do you really believe the US has an altruistic motive in Afghanistan or Iraq? - Bowser - 10/1/2004 12:29:24 AM
        
        In this, you are 85% wrong - Tony - 10/1/2004 2:56:54 PM
        
        Are we still there for altruistic reasons? Of course not. - Bowser - 10/1/2004 6:06:14 PM
        
        I didn't say we were doing well.......... (n/t) - Tony - 10/1/2004 6:18:23 PM
        
        re: Well... - Raoul - 10/1/2004 3:12:51 PM
        
        No - tony - 10/1/2004 4:09:01 PM
        
        Agree absolutely. But this also gives us a huge non-altruistic motive to stay. - alcaray - 10/1/2004 6:53:22 PM
        
        Iraq will implode anyway. And what's happening now? (n/t) - Bowser - 10/1/2004 6:07:55 PM
        
        re: Iraq will implode anyway. And what's happening now? - tay - 11/2/2004 2:22:25 PM
        
        re: Iraq will implode anyway. And what's happening now? - tay - 11/2/2004 2:22:22 PM
        
        Raoul may be naive - tony - 9/30/2004 9:54:14 PM
        
        re: Raoul may be naive - gbaikie - 10/1/2004 4:39:57 AM
    - Apparently not... - et - 9/30/2004 7:48:58 PM
      - re: Apparently not... - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 8:30:14 PM

A thousand words on what the war in Iraq was about - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2004 3:52:01 AM
- In case anyone is wondering, those aren't moon rockets. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:40:35 AM
- OK. The throne is empty. And we're still killing 'em. Make sense? (n/t) - Bowser - 11/1/2004 5:57:05 AM
  - There are still quite a few people left who would like to sit there. - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2004 6:55:51 AM
    - "I'm still fascinated by the 60s mentality that declares a war a failure the minute somebody dies." - Bowser - 11/1/2004 9:20:42 PM
      - "No reason." - Tom Brosz - 11/2/2004 6:38:30 AM
      - Thanks for pointing that out Bowser.......... - Lindy - 11/2/2004 2:56:07 AM
      - re: There was a reason. You'll need to call-up the ghosts of JFK and LBJ to fully understand it. - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 9:25:17 PM
        
        The reasons were nonsense, just like the present situation in Iraq. - Bowser - 11/1/2004 9:33:27 PM
        
        re: we stayed in that war for domestic political reasons, period. - Scott Evil - 11/1/2004 10:22:20 PM

Robert's insistance on blockquote - FrankC - 11/1/2004 6:04:42 PM
- Was there a reprimand? Got a link? (n/t) - RobVG - 11/2/2004 3:06:25 AM
  - Yes a few days ago.. - FrankC - 11/2/2004 3:52:41 AM
- Quotation marks work too. - Mary Anne - 11/1/2004 9:35:54 PM
  - re: Quotation marks work too. - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2004 11:48:21 PM

From the family members you didn't see on TV every day... - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 12:42:38 AM
- Seperation of Party and State - Nick Hoffman - 10/31/2004 3:35:31 PM
  - It would be swell if someone actually commented on the link. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/1/2004 1:17:11 AM
- Alternate source: - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2004 5:10:49 AM
- Sorry Tom, our international viewers have been blocked from the georgebush.com. - jms - 10/29/2004 5:18:24 PM
  - But Bush won't live in fear, he won't let those terrorists affect him, he won't hide, withdraw blah blah blah . (n/t) - Bowser - 10/30/2004 3:52:09 AM
  - re: Indeed! - Raoul - 10/29/2004 9:38:57 PM
  - Interesting... - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 7:38:56 PM
    - Other ways of doing it. - Mary Anne - 10/30/2004 3:18:47 AM
      - Denial of service attacks - Tom Brosz - 10/31/2004 5:09:41 AM
      - re: Other ways of doing it. - Lindy - 10/30/2004 5:48:47 PM
- Can't open the link, but I suspect it must be the Bush cousins for Kerry. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/29/2004 4:27:42 AM
  - Anyone else can't see the link? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/29/2004 4:35:09 AM
    - Canada must be in Bush's good books just now - came up ok for me (n/t) - LJ - 10/29/2004 3:44:48 PM
      - Or is it just all the ex-pats here? (n/t) - LJ - 10/29/2004 8:51:38 PM
    - Came up after re-booting. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/29/2004 2:36:28 PM
    - Came right up for me... - FrankC - 10/29/2004 5:58:06 AM
    - re: yes: not authorized (n/t) - Raoul - 10/29/2004 5:30:13 AM
      - re: yes: not authorized Sorry forbidden to Axis of Evil members (n/t) - p - 10/29/2004 12:18:31 PM
        
        re: Ouais, c'est bien ce qu'il me semblait! (n/t) - Raoul - 10/29/2004 3:58:11 PM

Where's the weapons, dude?? - Lindy-pissed off and ready to chew heads - 10/25/2004 3:25:29 PM
- Bunkers full of explosives - Nick Hoffman - 10/31/2004 4:12:28 PM
- Lindy, Kerry lied to you. The explosives were gone prior to the US arrival in Baghdad. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/26/2004 2:35:15 PM
  - Eb, you are the liar, our own military says that the explosives were there after our troops took the place - R.L. - 10/26/2004 8:16:32 PM
    - No, Kerrykrats/CBS/NYT are. - ebnelson - 10/27/2004 10:03:44 PM
    - No, they don't. And no, I am not. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/26/2004 9:51:42 PM
- Sure - Mark Eby - 10/26/2004 1:59:19 AM
- Ask these folks - Todd - 10/26/2004 1:57:30 AM
- Don't worry: Kerry will lose and be gone soon enough. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 3:36:01 PM

Our sophisticated moral superiors across the Atlantic tell us how it is... - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 1:29:54 AM
- Seems the left thinks it is great to call for killing non-lefties. - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 7:40:49 PM
- Migawd, the man couldn't appear before the 9-11 commission by himself. - Bowser - 10/24/2004 1:43:23 AM
  - The issue is lefties calling for the assasination of our President. If he met with someone, he deserves to be shot? (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/26/2004 2:34:12 PM
  - Neither did Clinton. So what? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 3:16:13 AM
    - 1: Clinton was not President on 9-11. 2: Your guy is a puppet, not a man. - Bowser - 10/24/2004 3:32:40 AM
      - Bowser, just plain fuck off. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 3:38:34 PM
        
        Pardon me but............ - Lindy - 10/26/2004 5:14:48 AM
        
        I suspect it means I don't think I get a kiss in the process. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/27/2004 4:07:18 AM
        
        I think it means without pirhouettes... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/26/2004 5:40:12 AM
        
        A little early to be that screwed up, isn't it eb? (n/t) - Bowser - 10/25/2004 7:24:45 PM
        
        You are such a cute pup. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 7:32:39 PM
        
        You are such a sick pup. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/26/2004 1:43:40 AM
        
        No matter what I do, I could never reach your league, I am sure. - ebnelson - 10/26/2004 2:36:16 PM
        
        That, sadly, is true. Nor the league of the vast majority of people, including conservatives. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/26/2004 7:46:37 PM
        
        You are of course correct - ebnelson - 10/27/2004 10:06:18 PM
      - I thought we were talking about puppets and appearing alone in hearings. - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 3:45:09 AM
        
        All right! The President of the United States could not appear before the 9-11 Commission alone. - Bowser - 10/24/2004 12:09:18 PM
        
        C'mon, cut the poor guy a little slack... - McFly - 10/24/2004 12:57:07 PM
        
        Great point. Hadn't thought of that. - Bowser - 10/24/2004 6:29:32 PM

Sudan - Raoul - 10/23/2004 12:58:30 PM
- re: I heard the US will invade Sudan on November 3rd - Scott Evil - 10/25/2004 9:57:23 PM
- Why doesn't Belgium and the EU show some leadership for a change... - Larry J - 10/25/2004 4:00:06 PM
  - re: Double standards - Raoul - 10/25/2004 4:24:31 PM
    - Then don't complain about Sudanese genocide, please. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 10:28:11 PM
      - Complaining is all the EU can do - Larry J - 10/26/2004 10:09:17 PM
    - No, you'd rather sit back and have your social programs... - Larry J - 10/25/2004 5:40:27 PM
      - re: Sure: don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you! - Raoul - 10/25/2004 6:44:43 PM
        
        Instead of whinning that the US isn't doing everything you want us to do... - Larry J - 10/25/2004 8:55:47 PM
        
        It's comfortable there on the sidelines, Larry. - Tom Brosz - 10/25/2004 8:58:44 PM
        
        While feeling morally superior at the same time... - Larry J - 10/25/2004 10:11:58 PM
- Rwanda. - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 3:37:33 PM
- We Can't Fix All The World's Problems While Europe Sets On Its Butt Again - Mark Eby - 10/23/2004 6:38:37 PM
  - re: Stretching - Raoul - 10/23/2004 7:21:39 PM
    - re: Stretching - gbaikie - 10/23/2004 10:58:19 PM
  - And which problems have we "fixed"? - Bowser - 10/23/2004 6:51:42 PM
    - You probably missed it, but the Talilban could not even dirupt an election in Afghanistan. - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 3:43:04 PM
    - Yugoslavia, Kuwait, Cold War, WW2, WW1 - Mark Eby - 10/23/2004 9:27:32 PM
      - And Europe sat on it's butt for those? - Bowser - 10/23/2004 10:26:07 PM
        
        Yes You Are - Mark Eby - 10/24/2004 4:55:55 AM
        
        Nice try. "---while Europe sits on it's butt again." You just make things up, don't you. - Bowser - 10/24/2004 6:28:46 PM
        
        Yugoslavia (multiple occasions), Ruanda, Haiti, Sudan, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia etc - Mark Eby - 10/25/2004 12:26:50 AM
- re: Sudan - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 4:40:40 PM
  - re: Sudan - Raoul - 10/23/2004 7:07:03 PM
    - Rwanda. - ebnelson - 10/25/2004 3:41:43 PM
    - In all honesty, and without malice, Tom's question isn't a bad one, Raoul... - McFly - 10/24/2004 2:37:24 AM
      - re: Tom's question isn't a bad one - Raoul - 10/24/2004 9:32:16 AM
        
        What Exaxctly Do You Think The UN Is For? - Mark Eby - 10/24/2004 4:00:23 PM
        
        re: Coordination power - Raoul - 10/24/2004 7:37:08 PM
        
        re: United Nations - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 8:48:48 PM
        
        re: re:The UN isn't perfect because its members are not perfect but it's the most recognized international institution (n/t) - Raoul - 10/25/2004 5:41:20 PM
        
        Recognized As A Corrupt Failure (n/t) - Mark Eby - 10/26/2004 1:47:42 AM
        
        Do you know how the US is recognized internationally? (n/t) - LJ - 10/26/2004 1:45:43 PM
        
        Yes, Do You? - Mark Eby - 10/27/2004 12:59:37 AM
        
        Apparently mostly with excruciating envy. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/27/2004 12:53:19 AM
        
        re: United Nations - gbaikie - 10/24/2004 10:58:50 PM
      - It's also unanswerable, and I know why. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 3:56:15 AM
    - Tom...Tom... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/23/2004 11:21:54 PM
      - (this was supposed to be under Tom's post) (n/t) - SDT1 - 10/23/2004 11:24:20 PM
    - So fix it non-violently. Again, what are you waiting for? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 9:50:41 PM
      - They're waiting for America to fix it because they can't... - Larry J - 10/25/2004 3:53:11 PM
        
        And Kerry wants them to call the shots. - REB - 10/26/2004 11:47:01 AM

So who will you blame? - Art Martin - 10/22/2004 4:34:56 AM
- The terrorists, Art. Your question is frankly stupid as hell. (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/22/2004 7:15:05 PM
  - Your answer implies I had an answer myself. - Art Martin - 10/22/2004 8:35:38 PM
    - Ed's not just stating the obvious. - RobVG - 10/23/2004 1:32:58 AM
      - Funny how some here were eager to lay the blame with the left and on clinton- - R.L. - 10/23/2004 5:00:19 AM
- re: So who will you blame? - REB - 10/22/2004 7:04:07 PM
- re: So who will you blame? - gbaikie - 10/22/2004 10:05:12 AM
  - Definitely meant other than the terrorists themselves. - Art Martin - 10/22/2004 3:25:38 PM
    - YOur question reduces the responsibility of those who decided to wage war against us. It is truly a pathetic question. - ebnelson - 10/22/2004 7:17:33 PM
      - Attack dog Ed - Art Martin - 10/22/2004 8:53:48 PM
        
        er just what part are you referring to? - Art Martin - 10/23/2004 10:00:47 PM
        
        Carter's comments on the Revolutionary War - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 1:19:06 AM
        
        Boy that sure doesn't read that Carter thought we were wrong to fight the war, simply that the British failed to see the folly. - Art Martin - 10/23/2004 9:57:12 PM
        
        At least one British historian agrees - Fox - 10/24/2004 3:11:28 PM
        
        Speculation... - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 3:55:35 AM
        
        It always pays to look at the original documentation or interviews. - Tom Brosz - 10/24/2004 3:47:49 AM
        
        Carter *did* say the Revolutionary War was a mistake -- by the British. - Mary Anne - 10/23/2004 1:32:44 AM
        
        Please...don't write stuff like that. - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 1:11:02 AM
    - Good question. - Tom Brosz - 10/22/2004 4:06:24 PM

"The Party of the Rich" - Tom Brosz - 10/20/2004 8:52:19 PM
- That is truly hilarious - ebnelson - 10/21/2004 2:53:15 PM
- How much you get for the wagon? - tony - 10/21/2004 2:04:27 AM
  - Geez, you have absolutely NO IDEA of how much I HAVEN'T put up here. - Tom Brosz - 10/21/2004 3:11:05 AM
    - Man you are really missing a great debate on the CE board! - Scott Evil - 10/21/2004 3:08:10 PM
    - Likewise :-D (n/t) - Tony - 10/21/2004 12:46:17 PM
    - I've been sitting on my hands just waiting for you to lose it. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/21/2004 6:20:54 AM
      - I'm getting worried - SteveS - 10/21/2004 2:00:49 PM
        
        Be much more concerned for ballot box stuffing, an DNC standby. - ebnelson - 10/21/2004 2:59:09 PM
        
        Must ... control ... fist ... of ...death ... - Mary Anne - 10/22/2004 4:38:06 PM
        
        re: History - Tom Brosz - 10/22/2004 5:07:08 PM
        
        You don't have to tell me about machine politics. - Mary Anne - 10/22/2004 5:58:22 PM
        
        Kerry coup - SteveS - 10/21/2004 3:39:25 PM
        
        If he does this, he will be the modern Raymond Burr (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/21/2004 4:04:01 PM
        
        And now we see how he is capable of holding his political 'beliefs' (n/t) - Davin L. - 10/22/2004 5:14:58 PM
        
        Let he who has never let something like that slip by cast the first stone. - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 12:31:45 AM
        
        OK, that's IT!!! I can't stand it anymore with the stones! - Mary Anne - 10/23/2004 1:44:50 AM
        
        Well, excuse me for not writing it in Aramaic. - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 3:52:57 AM
        
        -heh- You and Mel Gibson can have a nice long talk. - Mary Anne - 10/23/2004 11:31:34 AM
        
        Smileys - Tom Brosz - 10/23/2004 4:17:19 PM
        
        What does Perry Mason have to do with the election?? - LJ - 10/21/2004 4:28:27 PM
        
        "I shot Alexander Hamilton in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know." - Aaron Burr - 10/21/2004 8:32:30 PM
        
        Marxist!!! - ~jms~ - 10/22/2004 12:56:52 AM
        
        Lennonist!!! - Mary Anne - 10/22/2004 4:40:54 PM
        
        The Rest of the Story... ;) - Tom Brosz - 10/22/2004 5:10:30 PM
        
        Lennon on "Revolution": - jms - 10/22/2004 11:45:03 PM
        
        Yeah, I saw that thread. I could never resist a running gag... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/22/2004 3:23:19 AM
        
        re: What does Perry Mason have to do with the election?? - ebnelson - 10/21/2004 6:22:36 PM
        
        Well, since Raymond Burr is dead, he could vote democrat. ;^) (n/t) - ebnelson - 10/21/2004 7:33:34 PM
- Puppet masters - FrankC - 10/20/2004 10:49:40 PM
- re: "The Party of the Rich" - gbaikie - 10/20/2004 9:56:55 PM

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